"Red Banner Of Labour" Order. - Page 2

new world · 06-11-2004, 10:23 AM

I think these two names are supposed to mean the same, but because of translation they sound different. It all depends what source one uses.

I wish there would be standard reference (similar to McDaniel book) for Mongolian awards to end the confusion.

William

Dolf · 06-11-2004, 10:32 AM

William,

Thank you.
Which reference do you use, if not Herfurth's system?
I've seen other references, but only on a couple of web sites :confused:

Best,

Dolf

Taz · 06-11-2004, 11:55 AM

This is again an interesting topic, remember the other thread on the Order for Civil Valor from a while back.

Dolf, if its any consolation I also go by the Herfurth system, three names, different time periods in Mongolian history = three Orders.
This is of course my own personal preferance.
If you notice Yuri for example uses different methods than Herfurth for some and not for others.
As William says, I also wish there was one system for Mongolian awards.
Maybe if there is any interest we could post any seen variations (sub-variations ?)
We could then decide amongst ourselves what system to use for these Orders.
What do you guys think?

Order for Civil Valor, 1926-1940 No Ribbon

Орден За гражданскую доблесть

Variations

(a) With assay stamps
(b) With Mondwor, makers number and S/N
(c) With Monetnyi Dwor and S/N

Order of Labour Glory, 1940-1945 No Ribbon

Орден Трудовая слава

Variations as in Jans pics

(a) With Monetnyi Dwor and S/N
(b) With Monetnyi Dwor, makers numbers/marks and S/N

Order of the Red Banner of Labour With Ribbon - Green/Red/Green

Орден Трудового красного знамени

Type 1, 1945-1970, S/N, Screwback

Type 2, from 1970, S/N, Pinback

Eddie.

DutchBoy · 05-14-2005, 11:42 AM

I bought that one recently from a dealer on eBay! And it's quite a piece...beautiful and HEAVY! I love this order.

Here's a pic, and Vatjan, keep up the great work with that serial number list!

Dolf · 12-12-2005, 02:54 PM

The enamel ribbon for the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Valor.

Dolf

Dolf · 12-12-2005, 03:08 PM

The cloth ribbon for the Order of the Red Banner of Labor Valor.

Dolf

Sergei · 02-24-2007, 08:20 AM

Wanted to share with you my latest. A pinback. Common. Cheap by modern standards. But you just look at the enamelwork!
The second scan is for those who are not into Mongolian (yet:D ), to compare with a common T6 Soviet labour order. Gives you an idea about the size of these things.
Sergei

medals73 · 02-24-2007, 08:27 AM

Yes, a nice Type 2.1, the serial number would put it approximately into the 1976-77 period.

:cheers:

claretbaron · 01-25-2008, 08:44 PM

Order of the Red Banner of Labor, screw back, 1945 type, #2869 wiht award book. I have it 2 years.

Greg Collins · 01-25-2008, 09:33 PM

A really nice order; I have #3478. Does your's have a slight "rattle" (a little movement between the seal and the star)? Many of these seem to have that.

06-11-2004, 11:55 AM	#13
Taz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Herford, Germany Age: 65 Posts: 2,152	This is again an interesting topic, remember the other thread on the Order for Civil Valor from a while back. Dolf, if its any consolation I also go by the Herfurth system, three names, different time periods in Mongolian history = three Orders. This is of course my own personal preferance. If you notice Yuri for example uses different methods than Herfurth for some and not for others. As William says, I also wish there was one system for Mongolian awards. Maybe if there is any interest we could post any seen variations (sub-variations ?) We could then decide amongst ourselves what system to use for these Orders. What do you guys think? Order for Civil Valor, 1926-1940 No Ribbon Орден За гражданскую доблесть Variations (a) With assay stamps (b) With Mondwor, makers number and S/N (c) With Monetnyi Dwor and S/N Order of Labour Glory, 1940-1945 No Ribbon Орден Трудовая слава Variations as in Jans pics (a) With Monetnyi Dwor and S/N (b) With Monetnyi Dwor, makers numbers/marks and S/N Order of the Red Banner of Labour With Ribbon - Green/Red/Green Орден Трудового красного знамени Type 1, 1945-1970, S/N, Screwback Type 2, from 1970, S/N, Pinback Eddie. __________________ Everybody's equal, But some more than others! "Those who come to us with the sword - will be killed by the sword" - Alexander Nevski Last edited by Taz; 06-11-2004 at 12:10 PM.

01-25-2008, 09:33 PM	#20
Greg Collins Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central Virginia Age: 70 Posts: 744	A really nice order; I have #3478. Does your's have a slight "rattle" (a little movement between the seal and the star)? Many of these seem to have that. __________________ "We are Marching for the Victory of Communist Labour" V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin)

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06-11-2004, 10:23 AM	#11
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	I think these two names are supposed to mean the same, but because of translation they sound different. It all depends what source one uses. I wish there would be standard reference (similar to McDaniel book) for Mongolian awards to end the confusion. William

06-11-2004, 10:32 AM	#12
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	William, Thank you. Which reference do you use, if not Herfurth's system? I've seen other references, but only on a couple of web sites :confused: Best, Dolf

02-24-2007, 08:27 AM	#18
medals73 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth, most of the time Posts: 2,016	Yes, a nice Type 2.1, the serial number would put it approximately into the 1976-77 period. :cheers:

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