Voenkomat Medal Ring Variations.

travel-north · 03-06-2012, 11:07 AM

Hey Marc, could you enlighten us how to determine approximate production year of a voenkomat medal based on its ring? I know you have good info :) I like to compare voenkomat medals to jubilee medals in order to guess approximate production year, but I don't know how reliable that is.

Lapa · 03-06-2012, 03:36 PM

You've got the right idea, unless one could have access to the Mint archives :(

There is a clear evolution of the shape of the ring:
. flat with a funnel-like opening on both sides (this is the way it was struck, it is not a flat tab that was then pierced)
.. hard-angled internal hole
.. soft funnel-like hole
. rounded (two varieties):
.. thin ring
.. thick ring (several sub-varieties)
... regular circle, fully circular hole
... regular circle, noose-shaped hole
... indented circle at the base, circular hole
... indented circle at the base, ovoid hole

Marc

Lapa · 03-07-2012, 02:41 PM

First type: Flat ring

. Hard-angled funnel-like ring (left)
. Soft funnel-like ring (right)

Lapa · 03-07-2012, 02:45 PM

Second type: Convex ring

There are two different varieties in term of thickness of the ring:
. Thin ring (sorry, no picture available at this time, but commonly seen on Long Service and Virgin Lands) [I'll post a picture as soon as I have a suitable one]
. Thick ring (right)

Lapa · 03-07-2012, 02:50 PM

There are two sub-varieties of thick convex rings, each one having 2 variants:

First sub-variety: Regular round ring
. Round internal hole (left)
. Noose-shaped hole (right)

Lapa · 03-07-2012, 02:52 PM

Second sub-variety: Indented round ring
. Round internal hole (left)
. Ovoid internal hole (right)

travel-north · 03-08-2012, 01:43 PM

Awesome. Great start.

Just for more clarity, could you classify the rings in my pic?

Lapa · 03-08-2012, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travel-north

Just for more clarity, could you classify the rings in my pic?

1 ---> T1 V2
2 ---> T2 V2a
3 ---> T2 V1 (not a full noose, but not a full ring)
4 ---> T2 V1a
5 ---> T2 V2b

travel-north · 03-10-2012, 10:11 AM

Is it correct? And what could be approx production year?

Type 1 - flat rings
variation 1 - hard angled hole
variation 2 - soft angled hole

Type 2
variation 1 - thin ring
variation 2 thick ring
subvariation a - regular circle
subvariation b - noose shaped hole
subvariation c - indented, circular hole
subvariation d - indented, oval hole

***CtahhR*** · 03-10-2012, 10:16 AM

Is it due to this variation in rings that help create so many variations of Medals such as Victory Over Germany which have previously been overlooked by many?

03-06-2012, 11:07 AM	#1
travel-north Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Eastern Europe Age: 40 Posts: 82	Voenkomat Medal Ring Variations. Hey Marc, could you enlighten us how to determine approximate production year of a voenkomat medal based on its ring? I know you have good info :) I like to compare voenkomat medals to jubilee medals in order to guess approximate production year, but I don't know how reliable that is.

03-06-2012, 03:36 PM	#2
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year You've got the right idea, unless one could have access to the Mint archives :( There is a clear evolution of the shape of the ring: . flat with a funnel-like opening on both sides (this is the way it was struck, it is not a flat tab that was then pierced) .. hard-angled internal hole .. soft funnel-like hole . rounded (two varieties): .. thin ring .. thick ring (several sub-varieties) ... regular circle, fully circular hole ... regular circle, noose-shaped hole ... indented circle at the base, circular hole ... indented circle at the base, ovoid hole Marc Last edited by Lapa; 03-07-2012 at 02:54 PM.

03-10-2012, 10:11 AM	#9
travel-north Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Eastern Europe Age: 40 Posts: 82	Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year Is it correct? And what could be approx production year? Type 1 - flat rings variation 1 - hard angled hole variation 2 - soft angled hole Type 2 variation 1 - thin ring variation 2 thick ring subvariation a - regular circle subvariation b - noose shaped hole subvariation c - indented, circular hole subvariation d - indented, oval hole Last edited by travel-north; 03-10-2012 at 12:40 PM.

03-10-2012, 10:16 AM	#10
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