Damaged, Repair, Clean, Preserve Soviet Awards And Documents. - Page 4

marcotk · 03-27-2009, 01:19 PM

Super glue and a toothpick would do a very fine job.

marcotk · 03-27-2009, 06:40 PM

This is a two men job. One will deposit a small drop of glue on the medal via the toothpick, while the other will then press them together for 10/30 second as hard as he can. That is it..! Since the metal cracked if done carefully you will be able to "re-match" the 2 parts together.

As far as the glue, any Cyanoacrylate will be fine!

EricFG · 03-28-2009, 05:49 AM

Well Jeff, you could find some nice black earth (preferabley Soviet issue), add a little water and make some mud. Rub it on, let it dry and then clean most of it off.
I've actually aged ribbons that way. I also age my ribbons by rubbing them between two bricks with some sand thrown in but I don't think that would be a good idea with your BM.

Fakers use some sort of chemical to give silver a patina. I have no idea what it is though.
If you smoke how about rubbing some cigarette ash on it? I've done that as well to ribbons.

LuisMoutinho · 04-10-2009, 10:02 AM

What usually the people used to clean the medals?
I have some dark, I wonder if are any problem in clean with a product to clean metal and silver.
I don't know if the product takes the gold colour of them

Best regards, Luis

neferet · 04-10-2009, 10:46 AM

Hi:
I clean every medal with the specific product for each material: brass, copper, silver, etc..
Clean soil at depth, but care should be taken with the gold to be treated more gently

neferet · 04-10-2009, 12:08 PM

... Luis indeed, not all the world like cleaning the coin, many people want to keep the patina that time and history added

EricFG · 04-10-2009, 04:20 PM

I prefer soap and water for obvious surface dirt. Nothing more than polishing with a soft cloth and no harsh chemicals.
There are a few threads about cleaning here:
http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...ng-medals.html
http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...not-clean.html

Bogdan · 04-10-2009, 05:04 PM

I'm with Tretov on this, it is probably better if medals and orders are not cleaned. However, if there has to be something done, then what Eric FG suggests should be the most that should be done to them. The threads he suggested are very helpful in this matter too.

Recently, a person showed me a "cleaned" piece and the results were terrible. I saw this piece before and seeing it now really makes me feel bad for the soldier who won it. Abrasives and chemicals should never be used in cleaning as years of history will be removed and the piece will never be the same again. Leave them as they are or clean loose and surface crud with very little dishwater liquid and water and a lot of carefulness.

Bogdan · 04-12-2009, 02:42 PM

I agree with Simon and Esteban, taking corrosion off might be a good idea but only in a gentle way. It will come back but if the medals are stored properly, it will take a longer amount of time for it to come back. To sum, the best thing to do is not clean, but if trash or junk or corrosion is a problem, remove it gently and with a lot of patience as Esteban advises. We are collectors but we are also preservationists and we need to keep those things that are pertinent to the history of the piece rather than to make our pieces look like they were just minted. (ribbons included)

EricFG · 04-12-2009, 02:52 PM

The only actual corrosion I know about is "zink pest" and since there are no zink Soviet medals we have nothing to fear. The green stuff on brass medals is called "verdigris" and is not harmful to the metal I believe.

View Poll Results: Repair or not
Leave the damn thing alone! Don't mess with what looks like a period repair	12	54.55%
Have the solder removed to make the serial number readable	9	40.91%
Repair the enamel only	0	0%
Remove the solder AND repair the enamel	1	4.55%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

03-27-2009, 01:19 PM	#1
marcotk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Italy, US Posts: 130	Re: Broken Ring/connection...fixable? Super glue and a toothpick would do a very fine job. __________________ Best, Marco

03-27-2009, 06:40 PM	#2
marcotk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Italy, US Posts: 130	Re: Broken Ring/connection...fixable? This is a two men job. One will deposit a small drop of glue on the medal via the toothpick, while the other will then press them together for 10/30 second as hard as he can. That is it..! Since the metal cracked if done carefully you will be able to "re-match" the 2 parts together. As far as the glue, any Cyanoacrylate will be fine! __________________ Best, Marco

03-28-2009, 05:49 AM	#3
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Broken Ring/connection...fixable? Well Jeff, you could find some nice black earth (preferabley Soviet issue), add a little water and make some mud. Rub it on, let it dry and then clean most of it off. I've actually aged ribbons that way. I also age my ribbons by rubbing them between two bricks with some sand thrown in but I don't think that would be a good idea with your BM. Fakers use some sort of chemical to give silver a patina. I have no idea what it is though. If you smoke how about rubbing some cigarette ash on it? I've done that as well to ribbons. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

04-10-2009, 10:02 AM	#4
LuisMoutinho New Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 6	Cleaning medals What usually the people used to clean the medals? I have some dark, I wonder if are any problem in clean with a product to clean metal and silver. I don't know if the product takes the gold colour of them Best regards, Luis

04-10-2009, 12:08 PM	#6
neferet Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sevilla, España (Spain) Posts: 56	Re: Cleaning medals ... Luis indeed, not all the world like cleaning the coin, many people want to keep the patina that time and history added Last edited by neferet; 04-10-2009 at 12:10 PM.

04-10-2009, 04:20 PM	#7
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Cleaning medals I prefer soap and water for obvious surface dirt. Nothing more than polishing with a soft cloth and no harsh chemicals. There are a few threads about cleaning here: http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...ng-medals.html http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...not-clean.html __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

04-10-2009, 05:04 PM	#8
Bogdan Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: East Texas Age: 64 Posts: 52	Re: Cleaning medals I'm with Tretov on this, it is probably better if medals and orders are not cleaned. However, if there has to be something done, then what Eric FG suggests should be the most that should be done to them. The threads he suggested are very helpful in this matter too. Recently, a person showed me a "cleaned" piece and the results were terrible. I saw this piece before and seeing it now really makes me feel bad for the soldier who won it. Abrasives and chemicals should never be used in cleaning as years of history will be removed and the piece will never be the same again. Leave them as they are or clean loose and surface crud with very little dishwater liquid and water and a lot of carefulness.

04-12-2009, 02:42 PM	#9
Bogdan Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: East Texas Age: 64 Posts: 52	Re: Cleaning medals I agree with Simon and Esteban, taking corrosion off might be a good idea but only in a gentle way. It will come back but if the medals are stored properly, it will take a longer amount of time for it to come back. To sum, the best thing to do is not clean, but if trash or junk or corrosion is a problem, remove it gently and with a lot of patience as Esteban advises. We are collectors but we are also preservationists and we need to keep those things that are pertinent to the history of the piece rather than to make our pieces look like they were just minted. (ribbons included)

04-12-2009, 02:52 PM	#10
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Cleaning medals The only actual corrosion I know about is "zink pest" and since there are no zink Soviet medals we have nothing to fear. The green stuff on brass medals is called "verdigris" and is not harmful to the metal I believe. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

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