Fake "Capture of" Campaign Medals - Page 5

Kirchgoens · 06-22-2008, 09:43 PM

I'm speaking heresy here as a neophyte, but I'm not sure this Budapest is bad.

Nota Bene · 06-23-2008, 05:34 PM

Kirchgoens,

Neither am I, and Matthijs is not making it easy for us.

Alexei

Nota Bene · 06-23-2008, 05:40 PM

Just to make a point - here's a fake from my collection, creatively photographed. What do you think?

Alexei

matthijs · 06-23-2008, 06:20 PM

Thnx guys,

Let's try again :(

Kirchgoens · 06-23-2008, 08:21 PM

Alexei - you are right, that's a tough one on that Moscow. Can you give us some pointers on that one? What are we actually looking at that tells us bad? Maybe a quick "block of instruction" as we would call it in the Army?

matthijs · 06-23-2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nota Bene

Just to make a point - here's a fake from my collection, creatively photographed. What do you think?

Alexei

The only thing I can see is lack of detail and strange patina? Am I right?

Nota Bene · 06-25-2008, 06:41 PM

Kirchgoens,

It becomes a little easier when you have a good picture. Have a look at this one - poor detail is evident. This one is actually the worst in this new line of fakes.

BTW, this picture was takes with a 7 year old digital camera, that was cheap even back then :)

I will restore the "fake alert" page on my site as soon as I can.

Alexei

Nota Bene · 06-25-2008, 06:42 PM

I just grabbed a bunch from my collection. These are all fakes.

Alexei

matthijs · 06-25-2008, 09:02 PM

Thanks Alexei,

But can you tell me if mine is original? Or do you need a better picture;)

Kirchgoens · 06-29-2008, 03:14 AM

Alexei - I can clearly see the problems now in your second, clearer "Moscow" picture. It's got lots of evidence of casting in the surface.

I know many talk of lack of patina as evidence of a fake, but I never trust that as an indicator since veterans love to shine their medals. Just because it's old doesn't mean it will have an old patina. A fake chemical patina would be another issue entirely, and I need to learn more about spotting that. I've seen it in obvious examples, but not in a subtle one.

06-22-2008, 09:43 PM	#41
Kirchgoens Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US Mid Atlantic Age: 57 Posts: 351	Re: Fake "Capture of" Campaign Medals I'm speaking heresy here as a neophyte, but I'm not sure this Budapest is bad.

06-23-2008, 05:34 PM	#42
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Re: Fake "Capture of" Campaign Medals Kirchgoens, Neither am I, and Matthijs is not making it easy for us. Alexei

06-23-2008, 08:21 PM	#45
Kirchgoens Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US Mid Atlantic Age: 57 Posts: 351	Re: Fake "Capture of" Campaign Medals Alexei - you are right, that's a tough one on that Moscow. Can you give us some pointers on that one? What are we actually looking at that tells us bad? Maybe a quick "block of instruction" as we would call it in the Army?

06-25-2008, 09:02 PM	#49
matthijs Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Groningen, Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 20	Re: Fake "Capture of" Campaign Medals Thanks Alexei, But can you tell me if mine is original? Or do you need a better picture;) __________________ "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

06-29-2008, 03:14 AM	#50
Kirchgoens Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US Mid Atlantic Age: 57 Posts: 351	Re: Fake "Capture of" Campaign Medals Alexei - I can clearly see the problems now in your second, clearer "Moscow" picture. It's got lots of evidence of casting in the surface. I know many talk of lack of patina as evidence of a fake, but I never trust that as an indicator since veterans love to shine their medals. Just because it's old doesn't mean it will have an old patina. A fake chemical patina would be another issue entirely, and I need to learn more about spotting that. I've seen it in obvious examples, but not in a subtle one.

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