Suspensions, Ribbons, Ribbon Bars And Order Of Precedence.

[medals73]

Originally Posted by Lapa

Ed,

Not completely, no. As I mentioned, there are published rules in place.

Marc

Correct. And while the rules were sometimes violated before 1991, all we need to do is look at almost any post-1991 photo to see the flagrant disrespect with which 'the rules' are now viewed.

It is one thing for an elderly veteran to play sloppy with things, it is quite another to see a serving senior officer insinuate twaddle into his group.

[Lapa]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

So I am a Georgian GPW Vet... I have the following awards... Red Star, OPW2, CSM, Defence of Caucasus, Defence Of Kiev, Capture of Berlin, VOG, 20VOG, 30VOG, 40VOG, 50VOG, 60VOG, 65VOG, Medal "Zhukov", Belarus "50 Years Of Liberation", Ukrainian "50 Years Of Liberation", Ukrainian Order "For Bravery" 3rd Class (For Liberation), "Umalatova" GPW labour and 55VOG, the Georgian Medal 65 years of victory and Georgian Order "Honour". How do I wear these?

Good luck cos I have no idea....

Right, things are pretty straightforward:
. Umalatova and veteran baubles have no official right to exist, as they are not officially recognized awards, so they are out of the equation and should not be mixed up with the real ones.
. Belarus, Ukrainian medals and orders are official foreign orders, and must be worn according to the official Georgian order of precedence (usually, they tend to come after the local ones)
. Official Soviet stuff must be worn according to the official Georgian order of precedence (most likely, after the new official Georgian awards, but that must be checked)

The main thing here is to stop thinking that because it has a suspension and an accompanying piece of paper, it is a real award. The list of awards is clearly defined by each country, as well as what can and cannot be worn when awarded by foreign powers. No need to reinvent the wheel every time or to throw smoke screens all over the place. Go to the source: a country's official order of precedence.

Marc

[Lapa]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

Fortunately or unfortunately we have a vast number of post Soviet Union awards. A great deal of them very valid.... and then the "organisational" flak.

There must be right and wrong ways to wear awards throughout the CIS.

CtahhR,

It may surprize you, but there are not so many official awards. The bulk is what is peddled all over the place by various individuals/organizations and make up, in my opinion, close to 85% of the whole thing.

Marc

[CtahhR]

Going by the post-1991 state instituted awards by each and every post Soviet nation there are hundreds.... many of which are not even represented on this forum (unfortunately). Then you have your official "ministerial" awards and over a good few of the post-Soviet nations that soon adds up....


Looking at this situation through Russian eyes there are FAR more bits of shiny "junk" than awards instituted by those voted in to be able to do such a favour. If a day goes by without a new "organisational" award someone is missing a trick!

I have noticed that very frequently it's a "do what you feel" affair when veterans wear their awards when not in service....

Got to this end of this without mentioning "unrecognised" states.....

[CtahhR]

Attached is one of my friend's very favourite pictures from the mondvor site... A very post-soviet look to Jakov L'vovich Smoljanskij.

[travel-north]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

Going by the post-1991 state instituted awards by each and every post Soviet nation there are hundreds.... many of which are not even represented on this forum (unfortunately). Then you have your official "ministerial" awards and over a good few of the post-Soviet nations that soon adds up....

Well, there are lots of badges for excellence, good farming, etc. But they are not considered awards.

[CtahhR]

I was refering to only "state sanctioned" Orders and Medals. There is of course now the RF Medal "For Agriculture". Less the Ministerial Medals or other nations Medals.... Even within the Russian Federation the order of predence depends upon which ministry you are serving in at the time.

[Lapa]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

... Even within the Russian Federation the order of predence depends upon which ministry you are serving in at the time.

Now, that is an interesting statement :rolleyes: Could we know more precisely where you found this information?

Marc

[CtahhR]

I believe it was the EMERCOM site... If you do have the correct as of 1/1/12 order of precendence of the Russian Federation (Federal and ministerial) awards I would much apperciate it. When I say "ministerial" I would refer to actual "Ministeries" such as Defence, Internal Affairs and EMERCOM, not the awards of the Russian Orthodox church!

[Lapa]

No spiral here, "Just the facts, Ma'am" ;)

So, in order to end this silly discussion, this resource provides written black on white all the specifics about the wearing order of Federal, Soviet, Ministerial and Organizational awards :cool:

Marc