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Old 02-11-2006, 06:01 PM   #21
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You are all purposefully trying to break the laws of another country. Why?
Because people are all greedy collectors.
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Old 02-11-2006, 11:11 PM   #22
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Hello Bob

Your right, we are breaking the law so to speak. But it is a stupid Russian law . As the Russian government is not going to do anything with the orders or medals. Unless it is a real very rare order awarded to someone very important in Soviet Russian History that belongs in a museum. I too would then object to that.

But just because some wants to collect an order that the Russian Government really cares nothing about is just simply Russian. If you have ever been there you would then truely understand how Russia works and it is very fustrating and very stupid at times.






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Old 02-11-2006, 11:42 PM   #23
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Just my two cents.. I am not going to comment about the legality or legitimity of the thing, but in my opinion, we, collectors, are doing a lot of good for the soviet history by exporting the awards out of CIS. We are going to have those orders displayed at home, we may have them researched, published on the internet and we are spreading the heroic actions that those people did during the war, we are preserving the memory and transmitting the history to other generations and to other people who would not know if it was not of the collectors. As far as I know, collectors are probably the ones who takes the best care of the awards.

Look at Dave's webpage ForValor and you will see what I mean. It's a very beautiful collection of awards and interesting information.
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Old 02-11-2006, 11:48 PM   #24
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There is no problem moving medals between CIS states. Only when you go out of the area do you get hassled. It's a loosely followed law and as a previous message stated unless you fall under the "spotted" traveler ie too much metal you are ok. I would say Borispol in Kiev is by far the worst place to try to get anything through customs. The place is crawling with corrupt officials that will question you from taking too much hrvina out to anything antique or of value. Actually, they will have a so called 'antique specialist' on hand at all times to back them up. I've seen overt corruption going on in the back rooms where they isolate people. Fines are at the custom's agents descretion. I saw this Greek lady constantly crying asking why she was separated from he family becase she was wearing a cross on her neck that was suspecious as 'Ukrainian' in origin. After a transaction of cash which I observed she was let go. Regardless of the medal violations it's ashame to see normal civilians paying such a high price for bs rules. My situation was based on cash which after 2 hours was resolved only after missing my fligh. I had 25 dollars over the limit allowed Plan to spend at least 3-4 hours at Borispol on departure on detainment. If they figure your a westerner they want you to buy another ticket on the fly.

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Just my two cents.. I am not going to comment about the legality or legitimity of the thing, but in my opinion, we, collectors, are doing a lot of good for the soviet history by exporting the awards out of CIS. We are going to have those orders displayed at home, we may have them researched, published on the internet and we are spreading the heroic actions that those people did during the war, we are preserving the memory and transmitting the history to other generations and to other people who would not know if it was not of the collectors. As far as I know, collectors are probably the ones who takes the best care of the awards.

Look at Dave's webpage ForValor and you will see what I mean. It's a very beautiful collection of awards and interesting information.

I agree with is post completely. It's not a matter of being benevolent with the award in itself but to remember them in a way that the government or individuals in these countries that cannot.

Thanks Matteti.

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Old 02-12-2006, 01:22 AM   #25
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As far as I know, collectors are probably the ones who takes the best care of the awards.
That depends. There are also bad collectors that will be ready to split any groups if they can make money out of it and then buy some new stuff with the profit.
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Re: Anyone had medals confiscated by airport security??

I usually travel with large numbers of awards in my hand luggage (so I know they don't "fall out"). I have travelled with large bars and individuals, cased, uncased and everything else. Almost every single time I go through security I have everything rummaged through. I don't mind, it's their job and I can expect a bag full of shrapnel to be investigated. Never had a problem with awards at customs/immigration until this last Veteran's Day (2013).

I flew into Chicago O'Hare from England and got the full "works".
I was travelling rather light, then whilst a customs officer was rifling through my jacket pockets they found a medal (my own) and questioned me about it. They asked me what it was and who it belonged to, easy enough to explain. Then they asked me what I had done to be awarded with it. I am legally not able to go into details (and it's not usually a question you are asked by an "adult"). They didn't like the lack of details and there on Veteran's Day (The day after I had been "Medalled up" for Remembrance Sunday) they threatened to confiscate this medal. I suggested that wasn't a good idea, the officer had a think for a while and then confiscated some other bits from me (gifts for others). I don't mind losing a few bits if only to make it look like they are doing their job. Threatening to seize someone's awards, even if a hollow threat isn't very correct. Good job I wasn't travelling with a uniform or any kit!

Certainly not a usual experience for a passage through customs made all the more strange due to the date. Not the strangest experience I've had whilst travelling either.
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Re: Anyone had medals confiscated by airport security??

I once was flying from Odessa, Ukraine to Warsaw and had all the medals that I had purchased at an antique store confiscated. Most Soviet, but I had some German from WW2. The inspector at the airport made me sign a letter (that of course I couldn't read). I am sure they sold them......
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