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Old 12-22-2010, 11:44 PM   #41
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Pencil Note..

Hi gents,

Here's an unfortunate but not uncommon pencil note in the margins of a list of men to be awarded, here from July 31 1942.

This is a list from the Western Front, 49th Army, men recommended for the Red Star. I am researching #8, gun loader Sumskoy Petr Zaharovich.
Pencil note next to #10, Lt. Fetisov Grigori Klimovich, Platoon Commander in 51 Rifle Guards Regiment / 18 Guards Division, says
"Killed 12.7.42"

P.S. My researched person, Petr Sumskoy, was downgraded to a CSM here. Not to worry, he was thrice decorated later in the war--all the way up to a Red Banner. Pretty good for a Sergeant..

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Old 12-23-2010, 09:49 AM   #42
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Re: Pencil Note..

Pretty cool, aside from the KIA part. Can you tell us more about this document?
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:19 PM   #43
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Re: Pencil Note..

Thanks Eric, here's the front page of this Prikaz/Order:

It's basically a list of men approved by the Presidium for awards. :thumbsup

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Old 12-23-2010, 10:27 PM   #44
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Re: Pencil Note..

Correct me if I'm wrong but this document is from as high as it gets when it comes to awarding Soviet awards, from the Kremlin itself, right? Is this not an very rare and seldom seen sort of thing? Or am I on the wrong track here.
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:14 PM   #45
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Eric, I think every award was included in a list from "above", at least in the beginning of the war. It was just a formality of course. Lists of men were sent in packets to Kalinin and I am sure he summarily approved them. The "commanding staff" lists were sent from Rumyantsev (Deputy People's Commisar of Defense) to Stalin. The Presidium then generated lists of men to be awarded.

I may be missing a step or two from the award process--here's how I know it so far:

1. Award Citation/Recommendation (reviewed up the chain, upgrades/downgrades happened here)
2. List sent by Army Formation (for example, Front) to the reviewing body
3. Prikaz created by the Presidum, with a list of names, authorizing the awards
4. Ukaz created by the Presidium, with a list of names, ordering the decorations to be awarded

Forgive me for any inaccuracies. :thumbsup

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Old 01-08-2011, 06:17 PM   #46
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cit Military Commandant, Distribution Railroad?

Hi guys,

I recently came upon a small grouping from a gentleman who worked a senior job for the supply railroad in the war. From what I gather, the "distribution railroad stations" were mostly temporary railroads laid down for the purpose of supplying and moving troops. Is this accurate?
The man's title in early 1943 was
"Military commandant of distribution railroad station #35, Black Sea Group of the North-Caucusus Front."

In Russian, it is
"Военный Комендант распорядительной ж.д. станции No 35 Черноморской Группы войск Северо-Кавказского Фронта".

He finished the war a Major, continued working in the railroad industry, and earned a couple more civilian awards.

Thanks for your help!

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Old 01-08-2011, 11:06 PM   #47
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Re: Military Commandant, Distribution Railroad?

No reason why not to believe your explanation. Nice story.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:08 AM   #48
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From what I gather, the "distribution railroad stations" were mostly temporary railroads laid down for the purpose of supplying and moving troops. Is this accurate?
It is not. If you translate Russian text bellow, perhaps you would gain some understanding of meaning of "distribution railroad stations"

В ходе войны практиковались три типа распорядительных железнодорожных станций: армейские, фронтовые и межфронтовые. Основная задача распорядительных станций состояла в переработке потоков прибывающих снабженческих поездов в соответствии с потребностями: на армейских станциях – групп войсковых соединений, базирующихся на ту или иную станцию снабжения; на фронтовых распорядительных станциях – армий, входящих в состав фронта; на межфронтовых – отдельных фронтов.

Кроме выполнения этой основной задачи, распорядительная железнодорожная станция должна была организовать переработку потока поездов с эвакуируемой материальной частью, обеспечить перевозки по санитарной и ветеринарной эвакуации, производить погрузку и выгрузку снабженческих поездов на армейских и фронтовых складах, если последние располагались в районе распорядительной станции.

Из всех трех типов распорядительных станций наибольшее применение имели фронтовые распорядительные станции. Обычно каждый фронт имел две-три распорядительные станции. Некоторые фронты, как, например, Западный фронт, к началу битвы за Москву на 1 октября 1941 г. имел пять фронтовых распорядительных станций: в Ржеве, Вязьме, Гжатске, Тихоновой Пýстыни и Туле.

Армейские распорядительные станции были организованы только в первый период войны и дальнейшего своего развития не получили в силу недостаточной сети железных дорог и перенесения во фронт функций по обеспечению подвоза армиям.

Межфронтовые распорядительные станции появились в начальный период войны. Они возникали тогда, когда в силу недостатка железнодорожной сети одна железнодорожная линия обслуживала два и более фронтов.

Примерами таких распорядительных станций могут служить: ст. Ярославль в 1941–1942 гг., от которой начиналась железнодорожная линия Ярославль – Рыбинск – Сонково – Бологое, обслуживавшая три фронта: Волховский, Северо-Западный и Калининский; ст. Волховстрой, обслуживавшая Волховский и Ленинградский фронты и 7-ю отдельную армию, и другие распорядительные станции.

Военный комендант распорядительной станции подчинялся начальнику ВОСО фронта или армии. Военный комендант межфронтовой распорядительной станции обычно выполнял указания начальника оперативной группы начальника ВОСО Красной Армии или указания Управления военных комендантов железнодорожных участков армии, которому он был подчинен. Роль коменданта межфронтовой распорядительной станции обычно выполняли ЗКУ.
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Re: Military Commandant, Distribution Railroad?

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В ходе войны практиковались три типа распорядительных железнодорожных станций: армейские, фронтовые и межфронтовые. Основная задача распорядительных станций состояла в переработке потоков прибывающих снабженческих поездов в соответствии с потребностями: на армейских станциях – групп войсковых соединений, базирующихся на ту или иную станцию снабжения; на фронтовых распорядительных станциях – армий, входящих в состав фронта; на межфронтовых – отдельных фронтов.
"There were three types of distributive railroad stations throughout the course of the war: army, frontal, and inter-frontal. The basic mission of these stations was the direction of flows of arriving equipment trains in accordance with their demands, i.e. army stations to their subordinate units based either at that or down-line stations; frontal distributions stations to their subordinate armies; and inter-frontal stations to separate fronts."
Of course it goes into more detail, but as the Saturday Night Live skit "Sprockets" - "this has become tiresome." :)
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Re: Military Commandant, Distribution Railroad?

Thank you both. Yeah, it basically sounds the same to me. I guess the main question is whether the "distribution railroads" were laid temporarily (the "narrow track gauge" roads) vs the standard railroad tracks with the wider gauge.
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Paul, you'll enjoy seeing this--here's the document to the veteran's znachok from the said veteran. :thumbsup (I have the actual pin, but the photo isn't on this computer) I need to photograph and post the whole set, it's pretty complete--a screwpost RS, a GPW-II, a flatback Badge of Honor, a (later) RBL, and of course the multitude of anniversary awards and znachki.

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