Bogdan Hmel'nitskij. - Page 2

new world · 03-13-2003, 10:21 AM

Rusty,

I've seen worse scratches.

When it comes to scratches - I don't think there's a standard or regulation in place on how deep and ugly the scratches can be :)

HuliganRS · 03-13-2003, 10:24 AM

NewWorld:

It looks like there's a main scratch and veins as well...

I don't think it's a silver content check...

Rusty.

redstar_co · 03-13-2003, 10:39 AM

That is my concern as well. I know that Mondvor QA was a top notch.
It doesn't look like a patina that formed from the uniform. Its too deep.
Alexei, Art.. what do you guys think

Also, do you have to check silver by really scratching that hard.
I use to have an acid in my jewellery store where you could just add a drop to the item and wait about 3 seconds. It would soak through the plating (if it was plated) and would start bubbling. If it was a real silver all the way through, it would just sit there like a drop of water.
Neat stuff. I think I need to restock on this

Dietrich · 03-13-2003, 11:29 AM

I will examine this closer and post my opinion with detailled picture later today.

Dietrich

HuliganRS · 03-13-2003, 05:17 PM

I don't know where the idea of the authenticity came in?!

It looks genuine without a doubt, I'm just curious about what happened to the back.

Rusty.

Dietrich · 03-13-2003, 07:23 PM

Here's a close-up picture of THE SCRATCH. It looks a lot worse on the first picture I posted. It is really not a big deal, somebody was doing something to it. Compared to repaired emaille, missing ribbons, dirty ribbons or what have you not even worth mentioning.

Did somebody notice that the small dot next to the saber hilt is missing? Same with redstar's. Refer to McDaniel, page 120.

This makes clear that we both have Bogdans made by the same die and the same anomalie (so far now 5 observed: 402, 474,501, 1218 and 1378).

I don't think that this is adding to the value, but just for the record and for discussion.

Dietrich

Doug · 03-13-2003, 08:43 PM

For the record, Bogdan 3rd Class 977 also doesn't have the dot on the hilt.

All the best,

Doug

redstar_co · 03-13-2003, 10:43 PM

Dietrich
Please understand that what you have is a beautiful peace. You have to be proud.
We just trying to learn differen anomalies and reasons they are there.

Dietrich · 03-14-2003, 08:10 AM

Redstar,

no sweat. :)
This is why I attend this forum. I was not offended or something at all.
One has to be carefull nowadays. However, judgement can only be done with all facts on the table.

Looking forward sgharing more of my collection with you all and "Living is Learning"

Dietrich

redstar_co · 03-25-2003, 09:17 PM

Hello again.
I am reading PMD book on Bogdan 2nd class.

In this book Paul is saying that the only serial number observed for type 1 Var 1 is 107. What exactly does it mean?

03-13-2003, 10:24 AM	#12
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	NewWorld: It looks like there's a main scratch and veins as well... I don't think it's a silver content check... Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

03-13-2003, 10:39 AM	#13
redstar_co Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, USA Age: 53 Posts: 67	That is my concern as well. I know that Mondvor QA was a top notch. It doesn't look like a patina that formed from the uniform. Its too deep. Alexei, Art.. what do you guys think Also, do you have to check silver by really scratching that hard. I use to have an acid in my jewellery store where you could just add a drop to the item and wait about 3 seconds. It would soak through the plating (if it was plated) and would start bubbling. If it was a real silver all the way through, it would just sit there like a drop of water. Neat stuff. I think I need to restock on this __________________ Vpered k Kommunizmu

03-13-2003, 11:29 AM	#14
Dietrich New Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 13	Scratch I will examine this closer and post my opinion with detailled picture later today. Dietrich

03-13-2003, 05:17 PM	#15
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	I don't know where the idea of the authenticity came in?! It looks genuine without a doubt, I'm just curious about what happened to the back. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

03-13-2003, 10:43 PM	#18
redstar_co Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, USA Age: 53 Posts: 67	Dietrich Please understand that what you have is a beautiful peace. You have to be proud. We just trying to learn differen anomalies and reasons they are there. __________________ Vpered k Kommunizmu

03-13-2003, 10:21 AM	#11
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	Rusty, I've seen worse scratches. When it comes to scratches - I don't think there's a standard or regulation in place on how deep and ugly the scratches can be :)

03-13-2003, 08:43 PM	#17
Doug Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 45	For the record, Bogdan 3rd Class 977 also doesn't have the dot on the hilt. All the best, Doug

03-14-2003, 08:10 AM	#19
Dietrich New Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 13	Research Redstar, no sweat. :) This is why I attend this forum. I was not offended or something at all. One has to be carefull nowadays. However, judgement can only be done with all facts on the table. Looking forward sgharing more of my collection with you all and "Living is Learning" Dietrich

03-25-2003, 09:17 PM	#20
redstar_co Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles, USA Age: 53 Posts: 67	Bogdan Khmelnitskiy 2nd class Hello again. I am reading PMD book on Bogdan 2nd class. In this book Paul is saying that the only serial number observed for type 1 Var 1 is 107. What exactly does it mean? __________________ Vpered k Kommunizmu

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