Chief marshal of aviation

Tretov · 10-05-2003, 03:29 PM

This one is on eBay, I find it rather interesting. Do you guys have any comments? It is from Ukraine, yes... Comes with cap and trousers. Priced about 200 Usd.

You can see the image in sovvisor's post below.

/Patrick

sovvisor · 10-05-2003, 04:32 PM

here´s the one. I´ll say it´s newly made and of no collecting value except for show off.
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sovvisor · 10-05-2003, 04:45 PM

Vershinin m/54

Tretov · 10-05-2003, 04:51 PM

Sovvisor, thanks for posting the pics. Taking into consideration what the seller have sold earlier (for example, a "marshal SSSR walk-out uniform" made from a generals uniform with changed shoulderboards) it is not impossible this one is new as well. Any other thoughts?

That last one was very nice! Gives inspiration for a shopping run! =)

/Patrik

Tretov · 10-11-2003, 05:02 AM

What is the name of the badge on the left side, the wing shaped one? Seem to be cloth made?

Please see post in WANTED section (I want a such one)

/Patrik

sovvisor · 10-11-2003, 08:18 AM

The badge is made of goldbullion with red star made of cotton thread. It´s stictched
on to a shaped piece of cloth in the same color as the uniform.
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skipper1939 · 10-11-2003, 01:34 PM

Humor me. What is wrong with the first uniform except that it has no ribbons or badges? Both styles of laurel leaves on the lapels were used right up until the end of the USSR, right? There may be non-visible holes on the right breast for screw on badges. It would seem to be perfect for decorating with the correct ribbons and badges for display (not to be then sold as authentic). Museums do that all the time.

The old style wings on the second uniform also come in a metal pin-back version, but the soft ones pictured are by far the rarest.

Na Zapad!

Dr. Bob Clawson

DougD · 10-11-2003, 02:11 PM

The embroidered wings are not as rare as one would think.They were first used in 1940, changed in design (and location) through the 1950's, and then replaced with metal in the 1960's. On older air force uniforms the cloth wings are pretty common.

The uniform is not wrong for displays, but most collectors are not looking for mock ups for display purposes. If they buy an Air Marshal or such they want to know it atually belonged to a real air marshal and not some clerk in a storage facility in Kiev who sewed some boards to an unused tunic. The later is much more common. Just because it follows regs does not mean its real, in the collectors sense.

So, we are not saying its fake, we are saying its a mock up.

DougD

Tretov · 10-11-2003, 02:33 PM

When did the shoulderboards on these service uniforms change from golden to the dark-green type? The two uniforms seem to differ mainly on this aspect, the Vershinin M/54 has golden boards and the "who knows when it is made" :) uniform has green ones.

Are there any other differences in the design between these models?

/Patrik

vikingraider1 · 10-11-2003, 07:05 PM

It would appear that the colour of general officers shoulder boards for the service tunic changed form gold to kahki between 1958 and 1959.
Certainly the had been worn in this colour in the field as detachable shoulder boards on the Gymnastoirka.In the regulations for 1958 there is a picture of an general officer wearing these shoulder boards on a service tunic and also in the 1959 regulations as well.

10-05-2003, 03:29 PM	#1
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	Chief marshal of aviation This one is on eBay, I find it rather interesting. Do you guys have any comments? It is from Ukraine, yes... Comes with cap and trousers. Priced about 200 Usd. You can see the image in sovvisor's post below. /Patrick Last edited by Tretov; 10-08-2003 at 06:43 AM.

10-11-2003, 05:02 AM	#5
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	Badge on left side What is the name of the badge on the left side, the wing shaped one? Seem to be cloth made? Please see post in WANTED section (I want a such one) /Patrik

10-11-2003, 02:11 PM	#8
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	those wings.... The embroidered wings are not as rare as one would think.They were first used in 1940, changed in design (and location) through the 1950's, and then replaced with metal in the 1960's. On older air force uniforms the cloth wings are pretty common. The uniform is not wrong for displays, but most collectors are not looking for mock ups for display purposes. If they buy an Air Marshal or such they want to know it atually belonged to a real air marshal and not some clerk in a storage facility in Kiev who sewed some boards to an unused tunic. The later is much more common. Just because it follows regs does not mean its real, in the collectors sense. So, we are not saying its fake, we are saying its a mock up. DougD

10-11-2003, 07:05 PM	#10
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	It would appear that the colour of general officers shoulder boards for the service tunic changed form gold to kahki between 1958 and 1959. Certainly the had been worn in this colour in the field as detachable shoulder boards on the Gymnastoirka.In the regulations for 1958 there is a picture of an general officer wearing these shoulder boards on a service tunic and also in the 1959 regulations as well. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

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10-05-2003, 04:51 PM	#4
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	Sovvisor, thanks for posting the pics. Taking into consideration what the seller have sold earlier (for example, a "marshal SSSR walk-out uniform" made from a generals uniform with changed shoulderboards) it is not impossible this one is new as well. Any other thoughts? That last one was very nice! Gives inspiration for a shopping run! =) /Patrik

10-11-2003, 01:34 PM	#7
skipper1939 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kent, Ohio - USA Age: 84 Posts: 61	Humor me. What is wrong with the first uniform except that it has no ribbons or badges? Both styles of laurel leaves on the lapels were used right up until the end of the USSR, right? There may be non-visible holes on the right breast for screw on badges. It would seem to be perfect for decorating with the correct ribbons and badges for display (not to be then sold as authentic). Museums do that all the time. The old style wings on the second uniform also come in a metal pin-back version, but the soft ones pictured are by far the rarest. Na Zapad! Dr. Bob Clawson

10-11-2003, 02:33 PM	#9
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	When did the shoulderboards on these service uniforms change from golden to the dark-green type? The two uniforms seem to differ mainly on this aspect, the Vershinin M/54 has golden boards and the "who knows when it is made" :) uniform has green ones. Are there any other differences in the design between these models? /Patrik

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