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01-05-2011, 12:44 PM | #11 |
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Re: WW 2 NKVD Visor Hats
Good question and really is the basis for beginning this discussion. My initial reference to Red Army Uniforms 1918-1945 by Shalito et. al. on p.8 says.
"Officiers' (NKVD) uniforms (1939-1943) ...differed from that shown before by brick red collar patches and 1935 pattern NKVD peaked cap with blue crown, brick red band and crimson piping." The comment goes on to discuss other matters, but I am left with the impression that lower ranks (perhaps lieutenant on down) had the red bands which we find so frequently as WW2 NKVD visor hats. My guess is that the brick red bands were for officers (maybe officers above lieutenant). As we know brick red was used in 1943 for all general officers and above. I know there are NKVD visor hats with a brick red band that are not general officer hats so my guess is that they are at least senior officer hats and more collectible than the NKVD hats with red bands. Just my opinion. |
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If the question is only about the nkvd, I don't think there are any NKVD ranks that use the same color red band as red army generals and marshals of the soviet union do. All, including NKVD general officers, have the brick red, marroonish color. NCO's (and other enlisted ranks) are likely to be seen wearing helmets, un-piped pilotkas, un-piped subdued olive field caps, or blue top caps with brick red bands.
That being said, a cap sitting in a museum display for a couple of decades could have the exposed darker red fade but you should still be able to find the original color under the chin strap. |
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My collecting days are over, but my experience with WW2 NKVD visors is that there are more with red bands than brick red bands, that is, other than general officers. If you check around on eBay or other places where these hats are sold you will come to the same conclusion. Your comment about fading or manufacture variations is just what I am writing about. The Soviets used a variety of colors in their uniforms. The color combinations in cavalry hats alone are said to exceed 100 combinations. I think there was some thought given to the differences between brick red and red. But first you must accept that many legitimate WW2 NKVD visors have a red band. I think I have said all that I can say on this subject. My recommendation to new collectors remains - seek out the brick red bands.
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Re: WW 2 NKVD Visor Hats
Guys,
Before jumping to hasty conclusions, how about checking the original text (that is, the Russian version) of Shalito's book. So far, there has been a lot play with semantics on a translated text... Marc |
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Many (most?) of us can't read Russian, so please do enlighten us, Master.
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Mine also, when seeking a cap for all other ranks except for those in my last post...
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Dear Associate,
This is not part of the Army? :p |
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Re: WW 2 NKVD Visor Hats
Well, if that isn't...this one is.
In any case, "under the red star" has an excellent summary...at least from 1945 on. http://www.undertheredstar.com/colors.htm Last edited by Jeffrey Meffert; 01-05-2011 at 11:51 PM. |
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