Order Of The Red Banner.

[AlexF.]

There are well known mint produced orders of Red Banners RSFSR issued as official duplicates after 1933, and as late as 1945. None issued after that point. Moreover, due to fragile nature of original design, newly made duplicates (1935-1945) were made in the same manner as early "mondvor" CCCP Red Banners, thick, heavy, with 4mm screw and regular 32mm nut, and mintmarked this time around. Some of the well known commanders, owners of multiple RSFSR Red Banners, even replaced their "not lost" originals for the newly made duplicates, ex. Marshal Bluckher.
To summarize, casting a Type 1 RSFSR in gold (if it's in fact gold) was a fantasy, no nice legend can convert to reality :laff I just wonder why they didn't make it number 3 :confused::chuckle

[Aharim]

This badge was a nice "commerative" ORB issued in a hero's honor, in the "style" of the RSFSR ORB. As AlexF says fantasy piece. There are multiple differences from the early Variation I, Type I ORB (RSFSR under 10k number). The flame is not like the style(s) of early (under 10k ORB which had several variations on that point) The sickle does not touch the staff as it usually/always did. The staves do not touch the red ribbon legend. Compare with pictures in Durov. And as also noted the text is not in the same curvilinear line. But, if you like the story, that is what you are buying.

Re the price difference between ORB and Labor glory, its also in the story (and the uniform and survival rate). Would you rather have a "flew behind enemy lines at night to defend the motherland" ORB or a "real wizz on the lathe for construction of Tank Barrels" Labor Glory? Most would choose the former and while the supplies are equivalent, demand will drive up the one everybody votes for with their cash.

[Gold]

If this thing is real than its place is the museum in Latvia. Jānis Fabriciuss was an Red Latvian Rifleman who was one the top officers in Red Army. Red Army was mostly formed out off Latvian fighters and probably would fail whiteout them. Fabricuss was one of the first Latvian military officers who died in purge. In 1936. his plane crushed into Black Sea, it was probably planned diversion. So if I would get this order I would returned to Ventspils history museum, because that was his home city and his statue stands in city center.

[Lapa]

Gold,

Welcome to the Forum!

As far as I know, Fabritsius awards are held at the Central Museum of the Armed Forces in Moscow.

Marc

[Gold]

Even more rightly the Fabriciuss awards should belong in his memorial museum in Zlēki outside Ventspils. But knowing our museum problems the Central Museum of The Armed Forces in Moscow will be much safer. I just wonder how many good antiquities concerning Latvian history gets lost somewhere in outside world.

[Lapa]

Order "Red Banner" #14222

[ph3s]

Esteban one of the drafts,by Vasili Shorin, for early RKKA emblems, abbreviation for swastika was called ЛЮНГТН (LYUNGTH) dunno what is it

[Esteban_cool]

Impressive!

Thanks Lapa and Jeffrey for your insights.
Lapa, I agree with you on the link between the fascio and republican history for it makes sense, but since it was the first time I saw this link physically depicted it surprised me. Republican symbols we´re familiar with in the Americas are those from revolutionary France and the US (stars, stripes, laurel wreaths, eagles(condors in Andes countries) and ladies that depict freedom and justice:))

[CtahhR]

Here is another tale of an RSFSR Red Banner that was confiscated in 1937 but this one has a different ending.

Aleksandr Emmanuilovich Krivchikov was born in 1890 and was a decorated officer of the Imperial Army (Order Saint Vladimir 4th Class). After serving the empire in the Great War he soon joined the RKKA and was awarded with a Red Banner for service in Western Siberia as Assistant Regimental Commander, 1st Rifle Regiment, 1st Separate Siberian Voluntary Rifle Brigade, Southern Front in 1920. By 1937 he was serving as military director of Ul'janovsk Educational Institute. He was arrested by the Ul'janovsk Main Office Of NKVD and executed. No duplicate award in this case.

[CtahhR]

The NKVD really liked collecting Red Banners. Here is a tale of them getting their hands on a full set.

Pavel Efimovich Dybenko, born 1889 was an early "Bolshevik", active from 1907. He joined the Baltic Fleet in November 1911 and served on "Imperator Pavel I". He joined the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (Bolsheviks) in 1912. Anti-Imperial behaviour caused him to be imprisoned, sent to the front in the army and once again imprisoned. After the February Revolution he was once again released where he returned to the Baltic Fleet as Chairman of the Central Committee Of The Baltic Fleet. A position that saw him as a great influence on the October Revolution.
In March 1918 Lenin appointed him People's Commissar Of Naval Affairs but after the disastrous route from German forces at Narva he was removed from his position, dismissed from the party and only court-martial spared him.
He then left to Samara to arrange anti-Lenin resistance. Immediately before the suppression of Anti-Lenin resistance in the Samara region he returned to Moscow to be conditionally pardoned.
Once again he was given a command (this time a Battalion Commander in the RKKA) and once again found himself on an active front. This time participating in the Russian/Ukrainian hostilities. He was more successful this time and after promotion his forces eventually conquered Ukrainian Anti-Bolshevik forces and on 5th May 1919 established the Crimean Socialist Soviet Republic under Lenin's brother Dmitrij (With Dybenko as People's Commissar Of Army And Navy Affairs). On 1st June 1919 the CSSR joined in union with the RSFSR but by 26th June 1919 white forces had retaken it.
He returned to Moscow and in November 1919 was given command of the 37th Division and sent to Tsaristyn (before it was Stalingrad). In 1920 he was given command of Cavalry Dvisions for a few months before being recalled to Moscow again due to lack of cavalry experience.
In March 1921 he was given a task closer to his skills and suppressed the Kronstadt rebellion after which he sentenced 2103 of the rebel forces to death.

This action saw his first award of a Red Banner.
He then went on to be awarded two more (February and April 1922) for again suppressing rebellions (including Tambov).

By the mid-1930's he was very much involved in the NKVD's purges. Setting others up and participating in trials but he was not above suspension himself. He soon went from a Deputy Of The Supreme Soviet Of The USSR to being executed in July 1938.

He was rehabilitated in 1956 but the state kept these three Red Banners.