FAKE Red Guards Fighter and Red Partisan

HuliganRS · 09-07-2004, 01:37 PM

Guys,

Seems like the Fakers are getting better and better!
This is a new breed of fakes that is slowly sweeping the marketplace.

HuliganRS · 09-07-2004, 01:39 PM

Reverse of this piece.

Lapa · 09-08-2004, 10:41 AM

A couple of months ago, in St Petersburg, I was offered such a variety of scarce and rare badges that you really have to wonder how likely it is that 3 or 4 different "collectors" have the same 1920's or 1930's badge, usually in good shape, quite detailed, patinated and with very nice enamel, and costing hundreds of $$$. Of course, each seller is ready to swear on the head of every single member of his family that his badge is genuine.
I am afraid that we have to really wake up to the fact that potentially NOTHING is not faked today (sorry about the double negative here). It has become a fully fledged industry in the FSU that is prospering on (totally or partially) gullible westerners.

Marc

PS: when I say that nothing is not fake, that goes also for cloth items; I got an inside look at "uniform restoration" as the perpetrators pudically call it, and short of the very latest types, EVERYTHING is potentially faked, INCLUDING M55 uniforms.

HuliganRS · 09-08-2004, 10:59 AM

Marc,

Do you know which badges those were?

This particular piece is excellent but I'm told that there are still minor differences which can be spotted. Unfortunately I have never seen a real one of this badge and wouldn't even know where to begin.

Rusty.

Lapa · 09-08-2004, 05:36 PM

Rusty,

There were simply too many different ones to remember. One that stuck in my mind though is the NKVD Excellent Driver. There are two variations, and in one day, I was offered exactly 4 of the second variation and 3 of the first one, all "genuine", of course, nicely patinated, with perfect enamel. Now, what are the odds of that happening? :)

Marc

new world · 09-08-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

Guys,

Seems like the Fakers are getting better and better!
This is a new breed of fakes that is slowly sweeping the marketplace.

Very well-made fake!

This for sure will fool many collectors... :rant:

William

Soviet · 02-12-2006, 06:28 PM

On eBay right now.

Nota Bene · 02-16-2006, 07:35 PM

Guys,

These are great fakes indeed, but if you look closer you will see that some details, like for instance letters on the banner, are quite crude. BTW, I have never seen an original Red Partisan with intact enamel.

Alexei

09-08-2004, 10:59 AM	#4
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Marc, Do you know which badges those were? This particular piece is excellent but I'm told that there are still minor differences which can be spotted. Unfortunately I have never seen a real one of this badge and wouldn't even know where to begin. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

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09-08-2004, 10:41 AM	#3
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	A couple of months ago, in St Petersburg, I was offered such a variety of scarce and rare badges that you really have to wonder how likely it is that 3 or 4 different "collectors" have the same 1920's or 1930's badge, usually in good shape, quite detailed, patinated and with very nice enamel, and costing hundreds of $$$. Of course, each seller is ready to swear on the head of every single member of his family that his badge is genuine. I am afraid that we have to really wake up to the fact that potentially NOTHING is not faked today (sorry about the double negative here). It has become a fully fledged industry in the FSU that is prospering on (totally or partially) gullible westerners. Marc PS: when I say that nothing is not fake, that goes also for cloth items; I got an inside look at "uniform restoration" as the perpetrators pudically call it, and short of the very latest types, EVERYTHING is potentially faked, INCLUDING M55 uniforms.

09-08-2004, 05:36 PM	#5
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Rusty, There were simply too many different ones to remember. One that stuck in my mind though is the NKVD Excellent Driver. There are two variations, and in one day, I was offered exactly 4 of the second variation and 3 of the first one, all "genuine", of course, nicely patinated, with perfect enamel. Now, what are the odds of that happening? :) Marc

02-16-2006, 07:35 PM	#8
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Guys, These are great fakes indeed, but if you look closer you will see that some details, like for instance letters on the banner, are quite crude. BTW, I have never seen an original Red Partisan with intact enamel. Alexei

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