The Soviet Military Awards Page Forum  
  • Serial Numbers Database 2.0
Enter Here

vBClassified Featured Listings
Seeking following Soviet campaign medals for ..,
Echoes of War
Echoes of War

Go Back   The Soviet Military Awards Page Forum > Soviet Awards Forums > Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics > Fake Alert! > Fake Medals

Fake Medals Questions, answers and General Information pertaining to fakes and copies of Medals and related items.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-22-2013, 05:44 AM   #261
SergioV
Member
 
SergioV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 87
Fake Gold Plated Medal "Veteran of the Armed Forces of the USSR"

Hallo fellow collectors
Just another fake version of the medal that has never existed,
on sale now..

beware is just one bait and switch..

Regards
Attached Images
File Type: jpg $(KGrHqIOKpMFFyvV80QIBRjn4tHpv!~~60_12.JPG (34.0 KB, 22 views)
__________________
Veni.. Vidi.. Vici..

Last edited by CtahhR; 08-22-2013 at 06:24 AM.
SergioV is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 09-19-2013, 11:52 PM   #262
Shocktrooper
Senior Member
 
Shocktrooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Germany
Age: 48
Posts: 105
Re: All Other Fake Soviet Medals

Hi !

Don`t say that this variation never existed - it`s said to be a (custommade ?) variation for high - ranking officers most likely - yes; but one belonging to a time when the Soviet Union still existed. Several photos do exist of Generals actually wearing this variation !

Of course it it easy to fake it using a nearly unworn, normal medal.

Jens
Shocktrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2013, 03:58 PM   #263
SergioV
Member
 
SergioV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 87
Re: All Other Fake Soviet Medals

Hi Shocktrooper
few months ago i was searching and asking news and information about this medal, after reading and hearing many stories the most unexpected answer came to me by an old Colonel of the Russian Federation, playing on the fact about how easy is sell fake things in America and Europe, told me: this variant has never existed, some veteran joker decided to do electroplating of gold, it is nice to see, but in the State Archives does not appear as a variant, and in fact there are no documents to the assignment of the golden variant.
And just to have another confirmation, this medal do not exist even in the two Soviet Museums that i have visited to Moscow

http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...ed-forces.html

we see what developments will have this topic..
Regards
SergioV
__________________
Veni.. Vidi.. Vici..
SergioV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2013, 04:52 PM   #264
Shocktrooper
Senior Member
 
Shocktrooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Germany
Age: 48
Posts: 105
Re: All Other Fake Soviet Medals

Hi Sergio,

please take a look in "Avers" No. 6 !

And one of the images I mean:

Jens
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 03.jpg (31.3 KB, 17 views)
Shocktrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2013, 05:12 PM   #265
CtahhR
Forum Administrator
 
CtahhR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Deep In The Archives.
Age: 17
Posts: 12,074
Re: All Other Fake Soviet Medals

What people wear and what they are awarded could be completely different things. Here in Britain for example many wear miniatures or copies (which are often marked with a "C") which have to be purchased. These are representative of what the recipients were awarded but not the actual items they were awarded. Then again "Medals" are only a visual representation of an award.

If someone wants to "individualise" their awards or wear something similar to represent the award issued they will. Does it mean the items were issued by the government or made in the state mint? No.

So far with the "Gold" Veteran we can only say "As worn by X" not "As awarded by X" or "As produced by X".
__________________
"Signed with his own rubber stamp"
CtahhR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2013, 09:21 PM   #266
SergioV
Member
 
SergioV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocktrooper View Post
Hi Sergio,

please take a look in "Avers" No. 6 !

And one of the images I mean:

Jens
Hi Shocktroopers
I have Avers 6 i saw the picture of the gold version but this do not means that is true, i tell you why, this book speak about a version of the Great Patriotic War order that does not exist.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CtahhR View Post
What people wear and what they are awarded could be completely different things. Here in Britain for example many wear miniatures or copies (which are often marked with a "C") which have to be purchased. These are representative of what the recipients were awarded but not the actual items they were awarded. Then again "Medals" are only a visual representation of an award.

If someone wants to "individualise" their awards or wear something similar to represent the award issued they will. Does it mean the items were issued by the government or made in the state mint? No.

So far with the "Gold" Veteran we can only say "As worn by X" not "As awarded by X" or "As produced by X".

Dear CtahhR, what war veteran wear is not the point, veterans have my respect they can chose to wear even a plastic thing that can remember a battle, but if we speak about been a collectors is different,
( i do not think that you wish to pay 500 pound for a medal with C ) we like do research we study soviet pictures, soviet documents and soviet archives, it makes no sense to waste so much time to speak about real or fake orders and medals, in all forum, if after we must accept that something that does not exist is real because somebody decide to make a personal version and wear this.
What veteran wear is not a prove that this medal existed for me. what a book says is not always a proof of existence, what a government state archives tell, is a prove.
We are collectors or this is what we try to be, so we want real things, we pay for have originality, no collector wants to fund the wallet of a forger, and sell a no real thing or modified at a high price is wrong.
It is not rewarding for those who buy,
as it is not nice to discover that we have fake medals in our collections.
For me your equation is :
is/was worn by one veteran,
is/was been awarded by nobody,
is/was produced by a forger.
if someone brings me evidence that I'm wrong or if you or I'll find evidence of the existence in the future, I'll be the first to apologize to you. :)
__________________
Veni.. Vidi.. Vici..
SergioV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #267
CtahhR
Forum Administrator
 
CtahhR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Deep In The Archives.
Age: 17
Posts: 12,074
Re: All Other Fake Soviet Medals

I'm not sure you fully understood my point I will try to make it simpler.

The "Medal" exists - it is a physical object, we can see it. The "Medal" being an "Award" of the state or produced by the state has not been proven.

At this time I doubt any magical "secret document" from the former Soviet archives will turn up stating that they officially awarded these.

Even if we see video footage of the recipient receiving the Golden Medal it does not mean that it was the awarded Medal as it may have been substituted prior to issue. If that did happen those that received it may believe it was some sort of special gift from the state rather than a localised anomaly.

Would I buy a Golden one? No, unless part of a documented group at no extra cost to a "normal" one.

This may be an issue that splits the phalerists from the numismatists.
__________________
"Signed with his own rubber stamp"
CtahhR is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
veteran armed forces


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fake Partisan Medals Thomas Bendixen Fake Medals 74 09-01-2019 11:31 AM
Fake Hero of the Soviet Union Medals. Kjetil Kvist Fake Titles 20 07-30-2015 06:37 AM
Fake Labour Medals Tal Inbar Fake Medals 152 04-20-2015 02:24 AM


U.S. Army Badge- Combat Action Badge- Silver Tone Pin On picture

U.S. Army Badge- Combat Action Badge- Silver Tone Pin On

$2.00



SKULL AND BONES HAT PIN LAPEL DEATH HEAD TOTENKOPF DOUBLE POST PIN NEW IN BAGS picture

SKULL AND BONES HAT PIN LAPEL DEATH HEAD TOTENKOPF DOUBLE POST PIN NEW IN BAGS

$11.95



PURPLE HEART COMBAT WOUNDED VETERAN HAT LAPEL PIN ARMY MARINES..NEW picture

PURPLE HEART COMBAT WOUNDED VETERAN HAT LAPEL PIN ARMY MARINES..NEW

$10.99



Skull and Bones pin, 1 inch hat/lapel pin, pewter picture

Skull and Bones pin, 1 inch hat/lapel pin, pewter

$9.99



United States Army Veteran Lapel Pin picture

United States Army Veteran Lapel Pin

$9.97



USAF AIR FORCE Mini SECURITY POLICE Numbered PIN 1983  picture

USAF AIR FORCE Mini SECURITY POLICE Numbered PIN 1983

$28.85



10 ORIGINAL GRENADE PULL PIN & RING, BOONIE HAT, KEY CHAIN,ZIPPER PULL 10 PINS picture

10 ORIGINAL GRENADE PULL PIN & RING, BOONIE HAT, KEY CHAIN,ZIPPER PULL 10 PINS

$9.85



STURM RUGER FIREARMS LOGO BRIGHT GOLD COLOR LAPEL HAT PIN ENAMEL BRAND NEW picture

STURM RUGER FIREARMS LOGO BRIGHT GOLD COLOR LAPEL HAT PIN ENAMEL BRAND NEW

$12.95



BRAND NEW Lapel Pin Gold Tone United States Army Veteran 1-3/4

BRAND NEW Lapel Pin Gold Tone United States Army Veteran 1-3/4"

$9.95



US Army Commendation Medal (ARCOM) Set: Lapel Pin, Ribbon, & Case. NEW picture

US Army Commendation Medal (ARCOM) Set: Lapel Pin, Ribbon, & Case. NEW

$12.99




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2011 Arthur G. Bates III