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Old 03-19-2009, 05:31 PM   #1
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Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

Can someone tell me if this is good or not, and how much it might be worth if it is? It looks good to me but I want to be sure before I spend my hard-earned money.


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Old 03-19-2009, 06:37 PM   #2
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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

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With puictures of such poor quality, it could almost be anything. Based on what can be made out (that is, not much...), I tend to believe that it is

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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

Hello and welcome to the forum! These early Red Army cap badges are, like the early caps themselves, very tough to deal with.

These badges are faked (see ebay), and even the real ones vary greatly from any standard. I think you will get varying responses to this badge, but if it were offered to me I think I might take this one. Does not look glassy (though that could be the photo) has the thicker prongs, good wear, etc.

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Hello and welcome to the forum! These early Red Does not look glassy (though that could be the photo) has the thicker prongs, good wear, etc.

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Is a glassy/gloss finish definitely a bad thing? This looks like it does have a somewhat glossy surface, at least in the 3rd photo. I know a lot of these were just painted and have a matt finish, but did they also do them with enamel?

Also, I've been told these were more typically stamped, while this one is cast. Has anyone seen a genuine cast example?

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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

The really glassy look is, in my opinion, not a good thing. Here is a poor shot of a repro with that 'glassy' look to it. I think enamel is ok, but modern sharp enamel, with thin prongs in back, would not sit well with me if i were offered it.

Again, these badges varied a LOT! Opinions will vary a lot as well!

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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

Doug is absolutley correct stating opinions will vary. Based upon the pictures, it looks good to me. I especially find the flat back intriguing. Prior to 1922-24, Soviet Russia did not make these in a standardized form, which makes collecting this stuff interesting. Anyway, depending on the price, I would take the plunge. If the seller is confident in the badge, he might allow you to inspect it before purchasing it. Likewise, he should have a return policy understanding the nature of the business. Glassy enamel is probably not a good thing, but I have learned from experience that camera flash is not a good thing when trying to sell these on internet. With that said, it is difficult to know if the enamel is good unless you have a chance to handle the item. I do believe these badges were enamled as well as painted, but the quality of the enamel was far better than the fake pieces of today. I have probably talked too much as it is...Good luck!
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:07 AM   #7
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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

Okay guys, I'll roll the dice on it. Cost is about $80 which I have no idea is fair or not, assuming it is original. I don't think I've ever seen one for sale before so I just have to guess at what is is worth.

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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

IMHO, it is way too low a price for a genuine cocade of this type.

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The price is very good for he badge (assuming real), so perhaps the seller does not know what they have. Look forward to better photos when its in.

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Re: Hammer & Plow Red Star Cockade

Okay guys, here it is.

The seller bent one of the prongs back for some unknown reason, but they are both still there and it is the same cockade (all the dings and blemishes match from the previous photo). It has a pretty convincing patina (looks better in person). It also seems a bit darker in-hand, this photo was taken in direct sunlight to bring out the red. Whaddya think?

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