Civil War Veterans Badge.

[Christophe]

Red Star, Civil War type 1918-1922

Has anyone details on this Order ?

"An early forerunner of the Red Star for gallantry was awarded during the Civil War of 1918-1922.
During this time, of conflict, units of the Red Army were self-supporting and produced their own insignia.

The award consisted of a heavy silver disc with an outer wreath of laurel forming a circle, at the base of the wreath were the impressed letters "1919 CCCP 1922", and surimposed was a large red enameled five-pointed star with hammer and sickle in gold.
The reverse is plain except for the impressed details : CCCP for Bravery 2nd Class, plus the award number and date of bestowal.
The ribbon is red.(...)

The early issue red Stars are believed to have been exchanged for the official Order of the Red Star in 1930."

These informations come from John Clarke's book : "Gallantry Medals & Decorations of the World", published in 2001 by Leo Cooper.

Is this story exact ? it is not mentioned in PMD's book, but in others ?
Has someone more details on this medal ? A picture ?

Many thanks.

Ch.

[new world]

I've never heard of such award.

Nevertheless, suspension looks so out-of-time for Civil War period, it looks like something made after WW2.

My guess it's some sort of Jubilee badge commemorating Civil war.

William

[Nota Bene]

Christophe,

I have never seen this piece, but my guess is that it is either a commemorative badge, as William had suggested, or a fantsy item. They switched to H&S on the star only in 1922, before that it was hammer and plow. I believe this star conforms to 1932 regulations.

Alexei

[Christophe]

William, Alexei,

Thanks for your comments.
Without talking about the medal I posted, did you hear about the story itself ?
Is this story real ? Or a legend ?
I have not found any clue on it except in the book I mentioned...

Thanks.

Ch.

[Nota Bene]

Christophe,

While is true that some primitive and not commemorative and award jettons existed during that period, I do not believe that it is one of those.

Alexei

[Alfred]

In an German military magazin (ca. 1995) a Dr. Attila Pandula writes a readers letter with the title unknown badge who ca help and there is an picture of the badge. He mentioned that the badge is made out of silver and on the backside is a number.

Andreas

[Christophe]

Andreas,

Many thanks.
Do you have more details : name of the magazine, exact date, picture or scan of the article... ?

In advance, many thanks.

Ch.

[Alfred]

Hello Christophe,

I only take a black and white copy of the Article (pictue looks like yours, it was on page 23, I dont know the excact date, but it must before 1997! because I left at Dezember 1997 university.)
I have no longer access to the magazin, I researched it in Hamburg at the army university.
I think it was from the magazin "BDOS -Bund deutscher Ordenssammler" It´s a society for collection Orders
There was only the quetion.

Andreas

[Taz]

Just another question I'm afraid.
Wouldn't an early Medal from 1918/1922 have RSFSR on it and not CCCP?
If this is the case it can only be of later production.

Eddie.

[Christophe]

Andreas,

Excellent!!
The picture inserted with Dr Attila Pandula's question to the readers of this magazin, is exactly the one I posted, probably coming from the same source, the book previously mentioned.
So, Dr Pandula, and all of us, still seem to be at the same level of knowledge about this "medal" : total mystery...

I'll try to check with the BDOS if an answer to the question has been published.

Many thanks.

Cheers.

Ch.

Just another question I'm afraid.
Wouldn't an early Medal from 1918/1922 have RSFSR on it and not CCCP?
If this is the case it can only be of later production.

Eddie.

Eddie,

I think you're right on both points.

Ch.