Halhingol Battle Commemorative Badge.

[Dolf]

Dolf, if you friend refers to the "neon" colours in the first pictures, as the ones with replaced enamel, then he shouldn't. There is no neon colours. None. It is red and made of hot enamel. He is saying that replacement enamel would be made of cold enamel if I am reading him correctly?

Danny,

As I mention above I've sent him both couple of pics you posted, the obverse and reverse scans of your Post #1 that started this thread, as well as the two other, also obverse and reverse, that you made with your digital camera.

I suspect that he didn't realize that the four pics were of the very same piece.

So my guess is that when he refers to the "suspicious colors" he is talking about the first 2 pics (scans) you posted, that btw originated the same reaction from Paul and myself.

Anyway, it's clear from the 2nd couple of pics you posted (made with the digital camera) that the initial "neon colors" were probably a scan effect.

What he says about techniques on how to repair or redo enamel is a generalisation, apparently not addressed to your Badge in particular.
And yes, cold enamel (or even nail polish or also paint) is used by most people who do repairs on enamel, either in Mongolia, or elsewhere, according to my friend not only by "black market people" but also by the "Badge factory people" (the mint I guess).

Now the other dealer, be it reputable or not as much so as others, you mentionned, has the same badge as the one I (humm.... my wife ) purchased from Alexei with the same screwnut. So my point was would two of these badges be sold by dealers? What are the odds of that? Plus I found the same badge with what appears to be the same screwnut on another badge website (PM me for the link). A third source? What are the odds on that?

The chances that Mongolian Orders, Medals or Badges arrive in the West with wrong screwnuts are very high. It happens all the time.

Notice that my friend believes that the screwnut is authentic (probably for a Best Herdsman Badge), only not for the Halhingol Badge.

I guess the best way for the experts to see the badge would be to handle it themselves instead of viewing photographs.

Absolutely!
Just as an example your Badge doesn't looks the same on those pics made with the scan and those made with the digital camera, so as Paul pointed out before no one can be 100% sure only from a couple of pics.

I am not an expert, far from it but I am convinced at 110% that this badge is authentic and convinced at 80% that the screwnut is authentic as well. As Alexei mentionned there are quite a number of variations out there. Superb discussion indeed.

I'm no expert either, still learning everyday, and threads like this one are indeed a fantastic help on our learning!

I'm sure that when you posted your Post #1 you never imagined the thread would contain now almost 50 Posts! :wow


Anyway, as my friend says, the Badge itself is authentic, the screwnut is authentic as well, but he believes this is not a screwnut for the Halhingol Badge.

Danny,

The badge is authentic, of that I have no doubts. The screwplate is also authentic (not a fake, cast or coined).

Alexei

Alexei,

Exactly what I just said to Danny.

The question is if it does indeed belong to this badge. I believe it does, for reasons I have explained earlier.

First time I see one of these screwnuts on a Halhingol Badge, so I guess I've not seen all variations yet.

Thanks,

Dolf