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Photographs Of Recipients Of Soviet Awards/Service Personnel.
Hi, could somebody pls tell me what rank and about the uniform pls?
I think I saw a Guards badge but don't know the ribbons.

Thanks,

N


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Hi Norm,
The rank is lieutenant-captain.
No clue about the ribbons though. The second may be a Stalingrad or Leningrad defense medal.
There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

The Who, Won't get fooled again
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Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, pls the same as above with these fellas pls?

Thanks,

N


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Esteban is spot on about the rank (post #1) and that the second ribbon is most likely one of the "defense of..." medals unless he was a Partisan pilot. I say pilot because of the wings at the top of his shoulder boards and the fur/wool-lined headgear. As for the other ribbon, I am leaning towards either a bravery medal or combat service. At first I thought it could be a OPW II, but it doesn't look dark enough. He is definitely wearing a guards badge.

In the second, they look like they are just out of cadet school - privates? And the one on the left seems to have the insignia of the transportation troops on his shoulder boards. Probably a "getting ready to go to war" photo.

These are just guesses Norm using the reference material I have at hand - hope it helps.

Phillip
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I´d say rather than cadet school graduates, the two guys are more likely to be corporals (Eferitors). The guy at the left wears what it looks like to be parade/walking out shoulderboards and the one in the right, shoulderboards for everyday/field use.
There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

The Who, Won't get fooled again
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Esteban_cool Wrote:Hi Norm,
The rank is lieutenant-captain.
No clue about the ribbons though. The second may be a Stalingrad or Leningrad defense medal.

Esteban,

There are only 3 stars on the boards, not 4 (what looks like the 4th one is in fact the Air Force badge); as such, this person is a "Starshiy Lieutenant".

Marc

Kapusta Norm Wrote:Hi, could somebody pls tell me what rank and about the uniform pls?
I think I saw a Guards badge but don't know the ribbons.

Thanks,

N

Norm,

That is a M43 gymnasterka for a pilot. As to the ribbon bar, it looks like a Bravery medal and one of the Defense medals (Leningrad, Stalingrad or Sevastopol).

Marc
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3 pictures of an interesting variation of M45 generals uniform: double-breasted but only one row of buttons. Someone knows something in connection with the use (purpose) of this uniform? Something particular to engineers ? Some sort of honorary general uniform?

1. Portrait of B. G. Muzrukov, director of Uralmash plants during the war.
2, 3. B. L. Vannikov, head of the 1st Main Directorate of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR in 1945. The two collar laurel seems differents.


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Kliment:

As far as I know, in late 1945 generals and marshals started to wear medals in rows in the centre of the double breasted tunic. Before that, they wore them in a singular row (obviously, if they fitted) and thus some of the generals simply removed the buttons that were of bother on the right.
That is the case of the 2nd and 3rd pics you posted. In the first I bet it's simply a liberty taken by the painter - although the man was a plant director, I believe that is a military uniform he is wearing (I also see an order of Khmelnitsky..? or maybe Kutuzov?)
This is to say that to my knowledge no such tunic exists: all military double breasted tunics have 2 columns of buttons.
As far as the different types of embroidery on the collar, it is not uncommon.

Only civilians (mining, industries) had sorts of "Victory Parade" uniforms that were double breasted and with one column of buttons (even if, to be precise, the column was centred). Here are some period photos and examples of uniforms (note how the collar and cuffs are completely different from military VP uniforms):



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Muzrukov held a military rank; he was made a Major General of Engineering-Tank Service on 21 January 1945.
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marcotk Wrote:Kliment:
That is the case of the 2nd and 3rd pics you posted. In the first I bet it's simply a liberty taken by the painter - although the man was a plant director, I believe that is a military uniform he is wearing (I also see an order of Khmelnitsky..? or maybe Kutuzov?)
This is to say that to my knowledge no such tunic exists: all military double breasted tunics have 2 columns of buttons.
As far as the different types of embroidery on the collar, it is not uncommon. DougD posted an example of it a while ago in this section of the forum.

Yes, the painting was made in 1978, obviously from the picture below. I always found this painting quite puzzling, because of the one row, but also because there is not even a piping on the sleeves. In fact I'm less sure than yesterday that Vannikov have a single row tunic (a second row is obviously present on the second pic:o). The buttons are may be simply missing to make place for the awards, it's not unusual.
Finally, I think that we have reach the limits of socialist realism in art.:)
The collar of the second pic remains quite unusual, but it can be the result of some photographic retouching.
Many thanks


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