07-04-2012, 02:55 PM
Continuing the discussion on the relationship between ukaz and awarding dates from http://soviet-awards.com/forum/soviet-mi...4-a-2.html
"CtahhR" has suggested the following:
And a few other comments:
Having reviewed my own collection, I now believe that we will not be able to see much correlation of any sort, just as is the case with the distribution of military awards after WWII. I've found that a surprising proportion of awards in my collection were issued on the same day as the decree date. I think it highly unlikely that any of the recipients, who were all over the USSR, were shipped to Moscow to receive awards. My own guess is that any gap between the ukaz date and date of issue was totally a function of lots of random logistics. For example: Were the awards shipped and received in time? Did Moscow remember to telegram the decree to that mostly-forgotten province in the far east? Did the local party committee misplace a form? Was the schedule just too packed to have an awarding ceremony? Etc. However, I do think that there were often advance preparations to minimize delay. How else could someone in Ukraine or Uzbekistan get the memo in time?
Presenting examples from my collection below.
1. Uzbekistan. Notice, two awards 20 years apart, both awarded on the same day as the ukaz.
"CtahhR" has suggested the following:
CtahhR Wrote:I would suggest we would see some correlation between period of time between the Ukaz and the issue and distance from the Kremlin. So most likely Muscovites' awards are the place to look for same day (or those ferried in to Moscow).
I forgot to mention an alphabetical bias may also be shown. Alphabetical as in if 20,000 people in a single site were awarded an Order it is likely that Comrade A got his award days before Comrade Z.
And a few other comments:
CtahhR Wrote:Some booklets don't have spaces for both Ukaz and issue dates.
I have also seen many instants when there has been a mass awarding where a document has been completely filled in by one hand (or in type) except the day numerals which were added in a separate hand or colour.
I'm sure we're all have the "come into my office" scenario by alphabetic call with the "he's not here", "ok next!".
Having reviewed my own collection, I now believe that we will not be able to see much correlation of any sort, just as is the case with the distribution of military awards after WWII. I've found that a surprising proportion of awards in my collection were issued on the same day as the decree date. I think it highly unlikely that any of the recipients, who were all over the USSR, were shipped to Moscow to receive awards. My own guess is that any gap between the ukaz date and date of issue was totally a function of lots of random logistics. For example: Were the awards shipped and received in time? Did Moscow remember to telegram the decree to that mostly-forgotten province in the far east? Did the local party committee misplace a form? Was the schedule just too packed to have an awarding ceremony? Etc. However, I do think that there were often advance preparations to minimize delay. How else could someone in Ukraine or Uzbekistan get the memo in time?
Presenting examples from my collection below.
1. Uzbekistan. Notice, two awards 20 years apart, both awarded on the same day as the ukaz.
