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On sale on an a Russian auction site - EricFG - 07-28-2006
Nack Wrote:Interesting that the State awards, which were issued by a now non-existant state, are regulated by the current, different State.That's a darn good point. I wonder why it's still the same. Prolly just to keep Russian property in Russia?
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Dolf - 07-28-2006
EricFG Wrote:I wonder why it's still the same. Prolly just to keep Russian property in Russia?
Eric,
I guess it's only normal that a State try to keep their own property, patrimony, heritage, treasures, within the country, right? I see nothing wrong with that! The same is done in many other countries, take the US MoH as an example.
Just my two kopeks,
Dolf
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Dolf - 07-28-2006
Nack Wrote:Interesting that the State awards, which were issued by a now non-existant state, are regulated by the current, different State.
Tim,
I really don't know how fair it is to define the former USSR as "a now non-existant state". Isn't it normal that most countries, at least those with an old History, have seen many changes along their History?
I mean, would it be acceptable to call the US "a now non-existant state", if one day the capitalism ends and they become something else?
I guess all phases, good or bad on today's eyes, are part of the History of a certain country after all, right?
Best,
Dolf
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Nack - 07-28-2006
Well, I guess I don't have a problem with a country restricting export of cultural what-nots, and the MoH example is a good one. But, in any event, what I was trying to point out is that it is interesting that "State" awards cannot be bought/sold, but the USSR is no longer a legally-existing state. It is not like the USSR has simply changed borders or its economic model, it simply ceases to exist. In any event, I don't really have a point, it was just interesting to my legal mind, and I'll shut up now. :)
On sale on an a Russian auction site - matteti - 07-28-2006
Nack Wrote:Well, I guess I don't have a problem with a country restricting export of cultural what-nots, and the MoH example is a good one. But, in any event, what I was trying to point out is that it is interesting that "State" awards cannot be bought/sold, but the USSR is no longer a legally-existing state. It is not like the USSR has simply changed borders or its economic model, it simply ceases to exist. In any event, I don't really have a point, it was just interesting to my legal mind, and I'll shut up now. :)
Nack, I understand what you meant, but those items (awards and etc.) are still part of their historical legacy and I understand they want preserve and protect it. Though I find that they are pretty loose in doing that and it's pretty easy to get awards out of the country when you know how.
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Nota Bene - 07-28-2006
Nack Wrote:the USSR is no longer a legally-existing state.
Nack, the funniest thing is that legally the USSR is still an existing State (remember the 1991 referenda?), it's the Russian Federation that's not existing :)
Alexei
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Nack - 07-29-2006
Nota Bene Wrote:Nack, the funniest thing is that legally the USSR is still an existing State (remember the 1991 referenda?), it's the Russian Federation that's not existing :)
Alexei
It looks as though I have wandered into a minefield, :yow but at least its interesting. W/r/t the referendum, I understand that the people voted to retain the USSR, but I thought the Belavezha Accords officially dissolved the USSR, and created the federation in its place?
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Dave - 07-29-2006
Dolf Wrote:I guess it's only normal that a State try to keep their own property, patrimony, heritage, treasures, within the country, right? I see nothing wrong with that! The same is done in many other countries, take the US MoH as an example.
Ironically, it is illegal to sell the US Medal of Honor (MoH) within the US... but if you lived in Russia you could buy and sell it as many times as you wanted. So, as a United States citizen, I cannot sell one because it is illegal, but if I were a Russian, I could. Now how 'bout them laws??? :banghead
Dave
On sale on an a Russian auction site - new world - 07-29-2006
Dave Wrote:Ironically, it is illegal to sell the US Medal of Honor (MoH) within the US... but if you lived in Russia you could buy and sell it as many times as you wanted. So, as a United States citizen, I cannot sell one because it is illegal, but if I were a Russian, I could. Now how 'bout them laws??? :banghead
Dave
Dave,
It's called Jurisdiction of the Law.
Technically speaking, if you are an American in Europe - what would stop you from buying the MOH? I understand the law is applicable only within the US borders.
William
On sale on an a Russian auction site - Dolf - 07-29-2006
Dave,
Same way you can buy as many MoH as you wish all over Europe (even if you are an American citizen, but I doubt in such case you can enter the US with it), you can also legally sell and buy as many Soviet awards you wish in the US.
As William points out the laws only apply within the borders of the country establishing them.
Dolf