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Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - CtahhR - 07-06-2013
It is nice to see that this chart has been fully appreciated as a tool to aid in the understanding of wartime citations containing German place names and not used as some sort of nationalist platform.
Just so there is no misunderstanding; I have been educated in both French and Modern German as well as spending considerable time communicating in Deitsch.
English is a Germanic language as is Modern "High" German.
Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - charlet - 07-06-2013
il semble donc fort regrettable que vous ayez à revoir une chose aussi simple que les équivalences alphabétiques...
when will you take some time to accept a simple error of judgement from yourself instead of boasting about an omniscient and unproven erudition?
PS: about the unjustified assertion about nationalist words, I don't believe your status of moderator must excuse your permanent use of bad faith in every contradictory discussion...
Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - CtahhR - 07-06-2013
It is rather difficult to contradict what the booklet says, when it only says what it says and can not say anything else.
If you would like to indicate where in the booklet it does say that Ж is J or that I asserted anywhere that this was anything other than a wartime tool for German-Russian interaction I am also open to seeing that.
You seem to like to contradict points that are not there to be contradicted.
Feel free to post the wartiime French study booklet for communicating with Russians and we can discuss that. Although it does seem that your usual contribution to the forum is dissent rather than anything positive or educational.
Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - Auke - 07-06-2013
CtahhR Wrote:Nice to see these fellow northern Europeans explain Я = Ja and Й = J and Ж does not.I don't know if you consider this justification for your unusual transliteration methods, but as charlet already said, the German 'J' does not sound like the English 'J' at all.
Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - CtahhR - 07-06-2013
Many letters can be said many ways - often within the same dialect, let alone language.
If every letter was only ever pronounced in a single way no matter what its position in a word or sentence English (and other languages) would sound very different indeed.
Latin script can be very flexible indeed. Just look how many Latin letters sound when used in Welsh. I'm sure we could find hundreds of thousands of examples of letters not sounds how they "should" in various languages.
I personally like the y in Byrne. This is without mentioning silent letters....
Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - charlet - 07-06-2013
CtahhR Wrote:It is rather difficult to contradict what the booklet says, when it only says what it says and can not say anything else.
If you would like to indicate where in the booklet it does say that Ж is J or that I asserted anywhere that this was anything other than a wartime tool for German-Russian interaction I am also open to seeing that.
You seem to like to contradict points that are not there to be contradicted.
Feel free to post the wartiime French study booklet for communicating with Russians and we can discuss that. Although it does seem that your usual contribution to the forum is dissent rather than anything positive or educational.
In my second message I formulated critics about the form of your messages. But in my first post, about the substance (?) of the debate, without any personnal attack, I pointed the fact the letters equivalence is clearly intended for a german pronounciation.
The Ж is a "zh" in english, a J in french, a "ye" (would be the word "yod" correct to translate the sound?) in german. Logically no need for further debate...
About french pronounciation, no need for a wartime booklet, a 2013 edition of a Harraps and co will provide this to everyone...
CtahhR Wrote:Many letters can be said many ways - often within the same dialect, let alone language.
If every letter was only ever pronounced in a single way no matter what its position in a word or sentence English (and other languages) would sound very different indeed.
Latin script can be very flexible indeed. Just look how many Latin letters sound when used in Welsh. I'm sure we could find hundreds of thousands of examples of letters not sounds how they "should" in various languages.
I personally like the y in Byrne. This is without mentioning silent letters....
you turn around the bush and do not answer to Auke because it didn't go in your way.
This way of leading the debate is not worthy of a moderator status.
I don't want your head at the end of a pike ( like we did in 1789), but I only want to explain your tone seems tiring, not only for me.
Please could we take profit of your huge collection and really appreciable researches without this curious tone?
Picture Dictionary For Communicating Without Language Skills German-Russian. - CtahhR - 07-06-2013
I personally transliterate (not translate) the tried and tested way that works for me (and has done for decades). I'm not German nor French but I am certainly very familiar with Latin alphabet.
You can transliterate any way you want, as long as you understand what you have. Very rarely will everyone in any situation use the exact same system or pronunciation. The English language, being the most widespread on the globe, has a vast array of dialects, accents and other variety. It is obviously someone else's agenda showing through that this thread isn't being used to enjoy a period piece which may be a key in war time translation.
I certainly didn't start waving a flag stating that the transliteration chart was perfect and must be conformed with on pain of death. Especially since I certainly wouldn't use the transliteration illustrated. It is the standardised version presented in the booklet.
If you can't enjoy the images of a period survivor - don't look at it, let alone using it as a catalyst to push an agenda.
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