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Screwplates - EricFG - 10-29-2012
Auke Wrote:Around 1959-1960, I think.That early? I would have guessed much later.
Screwplates - EricFG - 10-29-2012
progress Wrote:Dear Lapa, Rocketscientist's GPW is numbered 871324. It has been produced in 1945 (8/17/1945 according with Filer's classification). You wrote it has the correct screwplate ( your post #330, screwplate shown in post #308, Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class).What???? Link to the thread, please as I have no idea what you are talking about here unless this is another censored thread.
Quote:In this thread you are writing:"Eric,It is not lack of interest, but the quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure that the order and the screwplate were originally "joined for better and for worst" at MD." What is your correct answer?Easy, progress. No need to be harsh. Lapa is one of the best contributors here. Do I always agree with him? Almost always, yes. But sometimes not. Do I call him out in harsh terms when I do not agree? No. When I do not agree with his opinion I continue to post, in a repsectful manner, and try prove my point as to why I see otherwise, hence my continuing posting screwplate images here. progress, I know you have a lot of knowledge in this field and I really want to see more posts from you. If I may, please tone down the rhetoric and turn up the proof, as it were. If you have specific knowledge about Soviet screwback plates please, please add it here. I look forward to everything you can add.
You seemed very sure about your first deduction in the other thread but now we read "...quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure..."
What is the correct sentence? Some forum members have judged orders, medals and badges for years. "Okay!" or " fake!" for years. Now we "discover" they are not able to judge a simple screwplate. What would happen if they should classify badges' screwplates? Don't worry, no one asks to you to be a fakir, a wizard (we do not need a bed of nails). No matter if a screwplate is replaced or born with the order. A serious collector needs to have the correct screwplate type (and variation) for a genuine order.
Quote:Dear EricFG, "The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Screwback Plates" :chuckle... good sentence! But "your book" would be outdated, these problems have been solved some time ago...Again, please be so kind as to explain or show me some examples! I do my best to learn. I've looked through the Faleristika forum, the best, in my limited experience, of Russian language forums and could not find any thread that dealt with screwplates. Heck, I don't even know what the Russian term for "screwplate" is. What I do know is is that there are at the very least two serious collectors on this planet, Marsino and myself, who want to find out more about screwplates. Would you be willing to help?
Auke Wrote:I agree with "progress" here: doesn't the list in post #5 answer all of your questions?The list in post 5 is a jumble of poorly translated words and it makes no sense to me. My best guess is that is has something to do with only OGPW plates
Quote:Eric, only the first two screwplates from post #14 are correct.That was my guess as well, thanks, Auke! :thumbsup
Screwplates - marsino - 10-29-2012
Well Eric, we insist to ask for cooperation. forgot to put an explanation important, on the post 5 http://soviet-awards.com/forum/soviet-military-awards/general-talk/81355-dating-screwplates.html#post204169
ОВ = Отечественной войны (OGPW)
КЗ = Красного Знамени (ORB) + Красной Звезды (ORS)
Screwplates - Lapa - 10-29-2012
Marsino,
You are right for ОВ, but КЗ refers only to the ORS. The ORB is abbreviated БКЗ.
Marc
Screwplates - marsino - 10-30-2012
A different one: RS s.n. 2779182
Screwplates - EricFG - 10-30-2012
Very similar, if not identical, to my 2.73m RS.
Now we're on to something. :)
Screwplates - marsino - 11-16-2012
I have these three RS, (MMD- T6 V5.3), but all have the screwplates wrong, which model can be the right one?
Screwplates - EricFG - 11-17-2012
Why do you think they're wrong?
Screwplates - marsino - 11-17-2012
EricFG Wrote:Why do you think they're wrong?
Because they have this type, and does not seem correct for the period.
One thing off topic ... I noticed this particular indent, which is only found in serial near 2700000
Screwplates - Lapa - 11-17-2012
marsino Wrote:...One thing off topic ... I noticed this particular indent, which is only found in serial near 2700000
Marsino,
it is due to a small break of the die used to strike the medallion.
Marc