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Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - mcwirsk - 04-12-2002
Hello
There was not much response to American awards to Soviets. So lets try it the other way around. . I will attach a few pics of a very interesting group. The red star is numbered 366793. The award book does not state the number of the order???. In the documents is a letter from someone in the Russian embassy in London (not dated but I thinks it from the 1980's) stating the the number is correct and they hold a roll of numbers for awards like this. Does anyone have this roll? I wonder if there is an award recommendation on file in the archives?
If anyone is interested I have the lists of the Soviet awards to the British forces in WW2 but no order numbers.
This award was for PAIFORCE. they supplied war material for use at Stalingrad.
The guy served in the Royal Indian Army Service corp.
Regards from sunny South Africa:)
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - Tal Inbar - 04-12-2002
Hi
I would like you to see this ribbon bar, belonged to US General George S. Patton. A ribbon for his order of Kutozov, 1st classe, could be seenon the last row, at left:
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - mcwirsk - 04-12-2002
Well done that man.- Tal
Great piece. Thanks for sharing it.
I have seen only a few British groups for sale with Soviet awards. Plenty WW1 groups with Imperial Russian stuff, but very few WW2 ones. Also I have never seen awards higher than a PW 1st class. One great group to a Battle of Britain pilot with his PW and also (very rare) the order book with it. But never the biggie awards.
Has anyone seen anymore of these order books to Allied forces?
I found another interesting group with a PW 2nd class. (its not in my collection) I was unable to upload the picture, but I have the following information on it and also a London gazette citation which is very rare.
Soviet Order of the Patriotic War London Gazette 1 April 1944. The recommendation states: ‘This Officer served as a Fighter Pilot during the Battle of Britain and, in the period, completed 120 sorties. He shot down two enemy aircraft, shared in the destruction of another one and damaged three more. Since then he has participated in three intruder sorties, flying in Blenheims of No. 614 Squadron which, owing to its role with airborne forces, has not yet been called upon for operations. U.S.S.R., Order of the Patriotic War, 2nd Class breast star, silver, gilt and enamels, the reverse officially numbered ‘96309’ Awarded to Brian Radley MacNamara who was born in 1915, and was seconded to the Royal Air Force from the Royal Tank Regiment in November 1938, after service on the North West Frontier. At the outbreak of the Second World War he was flying Lysanders from Odiham with No. 614 (County of Glamorgan) Squadron but, at the height of the Battle of Britain, he volunteered for Fighter Command and joined 603 Squadron at Hornchurch on 1st September, flying Spitfires. His first dogfight took place on the 5th and on the 7th September he shared in the destruction of an He-111. He damaged another He-111 on the 11th and shot down an Me-109 on the 14th. In addition, his log book further records a Do-17 damaged on the 15th (so-called ‘Eagle Day’) and an Me-109 also damaged. In October 1940 he crash landed his Spitfire at Detling, and on 11th November had a dogfight with Ju-87s. Eight days later he shot down an Italian CR-42
regards Munroe
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - Lapa - 06-08-2002
Hi Munroe,
I know that French pilots received quite a few Soviet awards. There was a flying squadron sent by the Free French (de Gaulle) to help the Red Army sometime in 1943. That squadron (still in existence today) was called the Escadrille Normandie-Niemen.
At least 4 of its members received the title of Hero of SU (with gold star and Order of Lenin).
If anybody is interested in more details, I'll go back to my archives and try to extract more about it.
Picture of Commandant Louis Delfino, commander of the squadron in 1943-44
And here's a picture of the Squadron's banner with various French, Soviet and foreign orders (among others, Red Banner and Nevsky)
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - Lapa - 06-08-2002
A few French HSU from the Normandie Niemen Squadron:
Sous-Lieutenant Andre
Lieutenant Albert
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - Lapa - 06-08-2002
Some French recipients of various Soviet awards:
Sergent Martin (OPW)
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - mcwirsk - 06-08-2002
Dear Marc
That was fantastic. Well done. The photos are great. Where did you get them from. I would be grateful for any infomartion on these pilots and or their medals.
Does anyone know of the existance of the medal groups to these guys. I have tried to do a little digging in France with no luck. The French medals are all unnamed and unnumbered so its very difficult to attribute their medals.
Any info that you have would be most appreciated.
regards from a cool but happy South Africa (after winning their first soccer match ever in the World cup.)
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - Lapa - 06-09-2002
Hi Munroe,
As you know, French medals are not named nor numbered, so you really need to get hold of the award documents (rather diplomas in this case).
Regarding the Soviet awards, the ones awarded to the squadron are kept at the squadron home base (not too sure where it is today, but I guess I could find out). As far as I Know, the various groups should still be held by the recipients (a few are still alive like de la Poyne, who is also the Secretary of the Order of Liberation) or their families.
The Normandie Niemen squadron has acquired a quasi-mithical status in France (and to some degree in Russia too as I believe that there is a Red Army division bearing that name), so most of these groups would be very hotly desired (to say the least) in France. It is possible that some of the awards are now in the Army Museum in the Invalides (where Napoleon's mausoleum is).
Being in Australia at the moment makes it somewhat difficult to track and verify, but I should be back there within a couple of months and may be able to get more information.
Marc
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - mcwirsk - 06-10-2002
Guys
Soviet awards to British and colonial units are very rare. There are in total 166 awards in the London Gazettes
Over of Victory 1
Order of lenin 4 (all for service with 151 wing in Russia)
Suvorov 1st class 8
Suvorov 3rd class 3
Kutuzov 1st class 2
Kutuzov 2nd class 4
Kutuzov 3rd class 5
Nevsky 3
Ushakov 1st class 1
Red banner 4 (all navy)
PW 1st class 24
PW 2nd class 20
Red Star 24
Valour 27
Combat 29
Red banner of Labour 3
Valiant labour 4
I hope that all adds up to 166.
So it can been seen have scarce these items are. Noting that ww2 British medals are not named so without the order booklet or named medals in the group it can be difficult to realise what you may have in your hands.
There is a number sequence roll but I do not have a copy of this. I understand it held at the Russian embassy in London, maybe we can get one of our UK members to get it for us?????
regards
Munroe
Soviet Awards to non-Soviet personnel. - Matthias - 09-04-2002
Munroe - I agree on the BritComm bit of info.
I've seen a few Soviet medals here and there to merchant sailors that were involved in the Battle of the Atlantic (ie Murmansk Runs etc).
Dave (forvalor.com) has, IIRC, a Order of Glory 3rd Class to an American enlisted sailor on his website. I do not believe he was able to get a citation tho (or did you Dave?).
---Matthias