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Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Teslarian - 01-02-2008
Purchased this on Ebay a while back. I showed it to a former east german colleague and she reckoned it was a forgery. Claimed the language was gibberish. I thought the Gramota was common and the need to fake one minimal. I'm not bad at spotting fakes (paper and ink seem genuine, paper too, etc) but she got me on the language.
Gibberish is no way to create a convincing forgery of an already existing and common certificate.
If you need one which includes the full body of text I will take a hi res pic.
Thanks for looking. Fascinating website. Will hang around a while.
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - new world - 01-02-2008
Gramota looks good.
It was issued to a female road construction worker ("asfaltirovshik" - person in charge of handling aphalt).
Gramota is in Ukrainian, this could be a reason it didn't sound like Russian to your friend.
William
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Lapa - 01-02-2008
Teslarian
I agree with William. The Gramota is fine!
Marc
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Teslarian - 01-02-2008
Wow! thank you for the speedy responses. I have uploaded some additional pics. Any additional info would be very much appreciated.
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Lapa - 01-02-2008
Teslarian,
The russian may not be at the highest literature level, but it is quite normal. I think that your German friend made a mistake here.
Marc
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Kirchgoens - 01-03-2008
Yes, Telsarian is right about the actual gramota "blank" being in Ukrainian. For a guy like me with only basic conversational Russian, I spot Ukrainian quickly from fairly minor differences in spelling (but with Russian under your belt, you can still often get the gist of it). "Kharkov" has the letter "i" in it, which is found in Ukrainian but not Russian. You'll also see the UkrainianSSR flag in the background on top (broad red strip above narrower blue stripe).
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Teslarian - 01-03-2008
That is superb! Thanks fellas. The last point about the flag is especially useful. I will get back to you about my friend's response.
Is this a full and accurate translation? Sellers description.
Quote:Original Soviet "gramota" certificate of excellence awarded to asphalt layer Kislaya Praskovia Petrovna (a woman!!). Awarded for
"excellent work and active participation in socialist contest commemorating the 47th anniversary of the October Revolution".
Very good condition, measures 15 x 10". Dated November 5, 1964. Nice and rare document.
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - Lapa - 01-03-2008
Teslarian,
It is indeed :thumbsup
Marc
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - USSR - 01-02-2013
Is this a Gramota given to a factory?
Ukrainian SSR Gramotas. - andrei - 02-24-2014
diplomas printed on the same model as the first one in this thread, but lightly different on the lower part:
the first one is issued to Emelianov Mitrofan Semenovich, in 1964, "for high production results in socialist competition, in relation to the 47th anniversary of the great socialist revolution of october"
the second one is issued by the ukrainian communist party of the district of Sumsky and the soviet of the local district to Levchenko Mikhaïl Alexeievich, best propagandist of the district, for "excellent results in propagandist-ideological education work"