Merchant Marine Visor Cap

Tretov · 01-22-2007, 02:24 PM

Up for auction on a swedish online auction site, this clean and bright navy cap features a somewhat interesting badge - anyone who knows what it is? Reminds me of the River fleet, but did they use such high crown hats? Start price about 50 USD.

DougD · 01-22-2007, 02:26 PM

I am pretty sure its Merchant Marine, but perhaps I am not correct.-dd

Tretov · 01-22-2007, 02:34 PM

It features the same badge as this riverine fleet cap:

http://www.undertheredstar.com/NonMOD/RiverOff.jpg

(picture from undertheredstar)

Al-muell · 01-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Riverine fleet/merchant marine. The cord seems to be modern Ukrainian (?). At least not original soviet. Some uniform regulations of non-navy fleet are on www.civil-uniform.narod.ru if You are patient and have some time at hand...

willie777 · 01-22-2007, 06:25 PM

Either way, CAP IS MISSING LEAVES!!!:eek::yow :eek: :yow :eek: :yow

Tretov · 01-22-2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willie777

Either way, CAP IS MISSING LEAVES!!!

What's the problem with that if he was a junior officer?

willie777 · 01-22-2007, 06:49 PM

Its a captain badge...

Lapa · 01-30-2007, 07:05 AM

Tretov,

It is post 1991, that is why the crown is so high.

Marc

Esteban_cool · 01-30-2007, 11:16 AM

As Marc says, must be post 1991, not only because of the crown but by the cheap cords. Those are always seen in crude fakes who are increasing nowadays. I suggest you pass on this one.

Al-muell · 01-30-2007, 02:26 PM

I wouldn't be so sure about the age. The cord is indeed modern and ugly, however, the crown size doesn't neccessarily make it post 91. I have a navy cpt. 1st rank cap which is definately soviet (but most likely custom made) and it has a radiculousily large crown.
In addition, modern ukrainian navy caps (and probably russian as well) have the crown front higher and somewhat more flat...

Morfłot and similar didn't always follow the same rules as the navy - I have seen a Morflot cap with smaller (like pre 69) crown which was dated 1974.

01-22-2007, 02:26 PM	#2
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	cap I am pretty sure its Merchant Marine, but perhaps I am not correct.-dd

01-30-2007, 11:16 AM	#9
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	As Marc says, must be post 1991, not only because of the crown but by the cheap cords. Those are always seen in crude fakes who are increasing nowadays. I suggest you pass on this one. __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

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01-22-2007, 02:34 PM	#3
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	It features the same badge as this riverine fleet cap: http://www.undertheredstar.com/NonMOD/RiverOff.jpg (picture from undertheredstar)

01-22-2007, 03:55 PM	#4
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Riverine fleet/merchant marine. The cord seems to be modern Ukrainian (?). At least not original soviet. Some uniform regulations of non-navy fleet are on www.civil-uniform.narod.ru if You are patient and have some time at hand...

01-22-2007, 06:25 PM	#5
willie777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 392	Either way, CAP IS MISSING LEAVES!!!:eek::yow :eek: :yow :eek: :yow

01-22-2007, 06:49 PM	#7
willie777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 392	Its a captain badge...

01-30-2007, 07:05 AM	#8
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Tretov, It is post 1991, that is why the crown is so high. Marc

01-30-2007, 02:26 PM	#10
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	I wouldn't be so sure about the age. The cord is indeed modern and ugly, however, the crown size doesn't neccessarily make it post 91. I have a navy cpt. 1st rank cap which is definately soviet (but most likely custom made) and it has a radiculousily large crown. In addition, modern ukrainian navy caps (and probably russian as well) have the crown front higher and somewhat more flat... Morfłot and similar didn't always follow the same rules as the navy - I have seen a Morflot cap with smaller (like pre 69) crown which was dated 1974.

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