Budionnovka - opinons please

Al-muell · 02-03-2006, 05:14 AM

This looks authentic (the cap itself and the wear), however there are some good fakers living here, so I would like to hear some opinions.
The size is about 54, it has a trace of something that once was probably a factory stamp with some text and something that looks like soviet sate emblem.
Also, what model is this? 26?
Thanks in advance and sorry for the poor pictures.

Kim · 02-04-2006, 04:27 AM

It's very hard to tell from those blurry pics. This type is HEAVILY faked and pretty well faked too. I know one "collector" in Russia that weathers newly made on his fence outdoors to make them look older.

I never even imagined fake sweat before I started collecting uniforms...:banghead :angerr

/Kim

***desantnik*** · 02-04-2006, 05:03 AM

I'm not a cloth collector and the pictures could be better, but the condition of that red cloth cap-star backing screams to me "stay away".

redmedals · 02-04-2006, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

It's very hard to tell from those blurry pics. This type is HEAVILY faked and pretty well faked too. I know one "collector" in Russia that weathers newly made on his fence outdoors to make them look older.

I never even imagined fake sweat before I started collecting uniforms...:banghead :angerr

/Kim

LOL No need to fake sweat just wear the thing for a few days in the summer humidity and sunshine.:)

DougD · 02-04-2006, 09:16 AM

Kim, I know who you are talking of, I remember our visit to his dacha....did have alot of nice dug items though. As for this bud, I really can't think that anyone could develop a firm conclusion based on the pics. Though faked ( huge number on E, all with tell tale signs) this one does not look like those I have seen. Would like to see more of the stamp.

DougD

Al-muell · 02-06-2006, 06:27 AM

I'll try to make better pics, however I doubt I can make any better pic of this ^*&* stamp, because it can barely be seen in a good light and I was afraid it won't be visible on the pic at all.

Al-muell · 02-07-2006, 01:24 PM

Lower part of the stamp.
It's not the question of poor pic. I can see this stamp only in a good light, but I can't read it. I think that there is a word "fabrika" there, but it's just a guess...
More pics tommorrow afternoon.

EricFG · 03-14-2009, 04:54 PM

Man, what a great lid. If I lived anywheres where there was a winter I'd have a hat like that! :)

Sorry I can't help with authentication Andreas buy yes, it does look really new. And I see *many* copies sold on eBay (as copies). I do know they have the cloth star on the front. I can't remember if they have the old style hammer and plow star on there as well.

DougD · 03-14-2009, 05:48 PM

Hello Andreas,

I'd like to see it in person, but if it were offered to me based on these photos I would pass.

Not that it is a repro, but the material and style look much more like a WWII era bud to me, made (or modified) to look like RCW era. I would not be comfortable with the glassy cap badge either, though perhaps this is just from the camera flash. These buds varied quite a bit for the 1918-1924 era, so I think you just have to go with your vibe on these; opinions on buds from this era vary greatly. What some are comfortable with, others are not, etc.

DougD

Ser-g · 03-15-2009, 08:10 AM

i personally have problem with the buttons.
i have never seen cloth covered buttons, certainly no blue.

maybe this is just a lack in what i have seen and not.

02-04-2006, 09:16 AM	#5
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	bud Kim, I know who you are talking of, I remember our visit to his dacha....did have alot of nice dug items though. As for this bud, I really can't think that anyone could develop a firm conclusion based on the pics. Though faked ( huge number on E, all with tell tale signs) this one does not look like those I have seen. Would like to see more of the stamp. DougD

03-14-2009, 04:54 PM	#8
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Man, what a great lid. If I lived anywheres where there was a winter I'd have a hat like that! :) Sorry I can't help with authentication Andreas buy yes, it does look really new. And I see many copies sold on eBay (as copies). I do know they have the cloth star on the front. I can't remember if they have the old style hammer and plow star on there as well. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

03-14-2009, 05:48 PM	#9
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Hello Andreas, I'd like to see it in person, but if it were offered to me based on these photos I would pass. Not that it is a repro, but the material and style look much more like a WWII era bud to me, made (or modified) to look like RCW era. I would not be comfortable with the glassy cap badge either, though perhaps this is just from the camera flash. These buds varied quite a bit for the 1918-1924 era, so I think you just have to go with your vibe on these; opinions on buds from this era vary greatly. What some are comfortable with, others are not, etc. DougD

03-15-2009, 08:10 AM	#10
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please i personally have problem with the buttons. i have never seen cloth covered buttons, certainly no blue. maybe this is just a lack in what i have seen and not.

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