Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class

Shocktrooper · 05-23-2012, 12:28 AM

Hello,

...manufactured like a first class, but made of silver... is this a rare variation or just a fake ?

Jens

Al-muell · 05-25-2012, 01:00 AM

If I were to guess, I'd say that the star comes from the authentic 1st class, and the background was either made by the owner after selling the original one, or much later by some faker, and thus is a fantasy.

JensF. · 09-14-2012, 04:03 PM

What do you think about this one?

Lapa · 09-15-2012, 09:38 AM

Jens,

I don't think anything based on these pictures. All I can say is that it pretends to be a converted T1.

Marc

Shocktrooper · 10-07-2012, 10:57 AM

Hello,

I do not trust this one; the patina looks somehow oily, the sawing traces on the handle of the saber are too crude to be real (especially when looking at them on the reverse), I can recognize some lead-looking spots on the star tip at the lower left (also reverse...) and the digits of the serial number do look strange too. Altogether, I think it`s a (quite dangerous) fake.

Jens

drill · 10-07-2012, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

Any opinions?

I like it so much :love

Lapa · 10-07-2012, 02:28 PM

Andreas,

The enamel star is genuine and corresponds to that SN range. However, I suspect that some/most/all of the red enamel has been replaced as the white enamel shows signs of overheating.

I tend to like the silver back star. The engraving seems consistent. The patina is definitely fake, which is understandable due to the work on the enamel.

Marc

Alfred · 10-07-2012, 02:45 PM

Thanks Marc,

what do you think about the suspension?

best regards
Andreas

Lapa · 10-07-2012, 03:31 PM

Andreas,

The jury is still out on this one... :o

Marc

progress · 10-23-2012, 09:41 AM

This is a replay for post #330.
Dear Sergio,
to have a complete item you have to change its screw plate. I have seen no one answered you so I continue to discuss about your order. This is the explanation. Your order is numbered 871324. Your order has been produced in 1945 (8/17/1945 according with Filer's classification). It was the last war emission. The screw plate shown in your post #308 is not correct for this order. It needs a 1944-1951 type, your order "wears" a 1951-1991 screw plate. I am sorry, but Lapa's deductions are wrong. If you need more info I will be pleased to give you all the references you need to check my words.
Regards,
progress

05-25-2012, 01:00 AM	#2
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class If I were to guess, I'd say that the star comes from the authentic 1st class, and the background was either made by the owner after selling the original one, or much later by some faker, and thus is a fantasy.

09-15-2012, 09:38 AM	#4
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class Jens, I don't think anything based on these pictures. All I can say is that it *pretends to be* a converted T1. Marc

10-07-2012, 10:57 AM	#5
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class Hello, I do not trust this one; the patina looks somehow oily, the sawing traces on the handle of the saber are too crude to be real (especially when looking at them on the reverse), I can recognize some lead-looking spots on the star tip at the lower left (also reverse...) and the digits of the serial number do look strange too. Altogether, I think it`s a (quite dangerous) fake. Jens Last edited by Shocktrooper; 10-07-2012 at 11:07 AM.

10-07-2012, 02:28 PM	#7
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class Andreas, The enamel star is genuine and corresponds to that SN range. However, I suspect that some/most/all of the red enamel has been replaced as the white enamel shows signs of overheating. I tend to like the silver back star. The engraving seems consistent. The patina is definitely fake, which is understandable due to the work on the enamel. Marc

10-07-2012, 02:45 PM	#8
Alfred Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany, Cologne Posts: 626	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class Thanks Marc, what do you think about the suspension? best regards Andreas

10-07-2012, 03:31 PM	#9
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class Andreas, The jury is still out on this one... :o Marc

10-23-2012, 09:41 AM	#10
progress New Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 12	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class This is a replay for post #330. Dear Sergio, to have a complete item you have to change its screw plate. I have seen no one answered you so I continue to discuss about your order. This is the explanation. Your order is numbered 871324. Your order has been produced in 1945 (8/17/1945 according with Filer's classification). It was the last war emission. The screw plate shown in your post #308 is not correct for this order. It needs a 1944-1951 type, your order "wears" a 1951-1991 screw plate. I am sorry, but Lapa's deductions are wrong. If you need more info I will be pleased to give you all the references you need to check my words. Regards, progress __________________ The bear is back...

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