Glory III,108815,Rifleman,1375th Rifle Regiment,Kerch Peninsula

[NTAT]

I recently obtained an Order of Glory III class to a Rifleman with the 414th Rifle Anapa Division that was granted May 6, 1944. All supporting paperwork recognizes the Order of Glory to include its serial number.

While examining the paperwork I noted the award citation showed the recipient was recommended for the Order of Glory twice as it worked its way up the chain of command. Once on April 29, 1944 and again on May 3, 1944. However, the final entry by the Head of Personnel Department of 414th RAD dated May 6, 1944, showed that the individual was to be awarded with the Order of the Red Star.

Reading this raised a question about what was actually awarded versus was recommended. Why the discrepancy? Clearly the individual was awarded the Order of Glory as the paperwork and the serial number on the order match the award card. However, the last entry shows a recommendation for the Order of the Red Star.

Is this discrepancy a clerk’s mistake? Or was the recommendation over turned further up the chain of command? Is it common to see this discrepancy in awards citations? Or is it a random mistake that can be attributed to the large amounts of paperwork churned out by clerks at other locations.

If anyone could answer these questions I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you!

Getting Older…But Honest…Gerry :)

For those who enjoy reading citations…

Rifleman: Georgy Georgievich Zirakashvili 1375th Rifle Regiment, 414th Rifle Division

Brief description of personal feats or merits

“In the battles on the Kerch peninsula showed himself as a brave and courageous private. When repelling a large-scale attack in the region of height Besymyannaya replaced the gun-layer who came out of action and by accurately adjusted fire killed 30 Hitlerites, heavy machine-gun with its crew.”

Deserves to be awarded with government award, order of Glory 3rd cl.

Commander of the 1375th rifle regiment
Lieutenant Colonel / Gorcheshvili / signedApril 29,[/B]

[Sergei]

Hi Gerry,
Suffering from a Soviet-style paperwork syndrome? :D
Let me see if I got this right. The original submission was for a Glory 3rd (from a Division commander), it was approved by somebody higher up but the Division Personnel guy wanted to change it to a Red Star? Who or what was the last person to sign the award document? I am almost sure it was supposed to be someone above the Division level. I may be wrong, of course, other experts here will correct me then.
Sergei

[NTAT]

Sergei,

You’re correct in your analysis. A Lieutenant Colonel who was a commander of the 1375th rifle regiment signed the initial recommendation. This was done on April 29, 1944.

On May 3, 1944 the Commander of the 414th Rifle Anapa Division agrees with the recommendation and signs off.

However, on May 6, 1944 the final entry states the following:

Under Order to 414th rifle Anapa division No 073/N of May 6, 1944 was awarded with the Order of Red Star.

Head of Personnel Department of 414th RAD
Captain of executive department, signed / Latylev /
May 6, 1944

What gives?

Thank you!

Gerry :)

[ANZAC]

Originally Posted by NTAT

Sergei,

You’re correct in your analysis. A Lieutenant Colonel who was a commander of the 1375th rifle regiment signed the initial recommendation. This was done on April 29, 1944.

On May 3, 1944 the Commander of the 414th Rifle Anapa Division agrees with the recommendation and signs off.

However, on May 6, 1944 the final entry states the following:

Under Order to 414th rifle Anapa division No 073/N of May 6, 1944 was awarded with the Order of Red Star.

Head of Personnel Department of 414th RAD
Captain of executive department, signed / Latylev /
May 6, 1944

What gives?

Thank you!

Gerry :)

Gerry

I have seen this before, I suggest it to be a clerical error due to the numbers of awards going through the system. Having said that, while I specialise in Glories, documentation is not exactly my area. Perhaps Paul might enlighten you more when he comes back.

Regards

Brendan:thumbsup

[Sergei]

Gerry,
Brendan has seen so many researched Glories that I would go along with his judgement. The one you've got it very exciting, congratulations.
Sergei

[ANZAC]

Originally Posted by Sergei

Gerry,
Brendan has seen so many researched Glories that I would go along with his judgement. The one you've got it very exciting, congratulations.
Sergei

To gracious Sergei:) I'm far from the expert, but I have seen, more like own;) a fair amount of researched Glories and Gerry's Glory documentation is not unusual in the extreme, but in my experience it is an oddity that does come up on ocassion.

Brendan:thumbsup

[ANZAC]

Awarded for fighting in the Kerch Peninsula. Reasonably senior soldier at 46 years of age.

Brendan


AWARD CITATION

1. First, middle and last names Zirakashvili Georgy Georgievich
2. Rank Red Army man
3. Position, unit Carrier of mining unit of 3rd rifle battalion of 1375th rifle regiment of 414th Rifle Anapa division
Is recommended for the order of Glory, 3rd cl.
4. Year of birth 1898
5. Nationality Georgian
6. Party membership Non party
7. Participation in the civil war and other military actions aimed at the defense of the USSR (where and when)
Since August 1, 1942, Western Caucasian and Northern Caucasian fronts, OPA
8. Wounds or contusions received during the Patriotic War wounded
9. In the Red Army since 1942
10. Drafted by what district military commissariat Gurdzhinansky district military commissariat, Georgian SSR
11. Previous awards None
12. Permanent home address (of the prospective awardee or his/her family) Georgian SSR, Gurdzhnansky district, Naniani village; family address - ??


I. Brief description of personal feat or merits

In the battles on the Kerch peninsula showed himself as a brave and courageous private.
When repelling a large-scale attack in the region of of height Besymyannaya replaced the gun-layer who came out of action and by accurately adjusted fire killed 30 Hitlerites, heavy machine-gun with its crew.

Deserves to be awarded with government award, order of Glory, 3rd cl.

Commander of 1375th rifle regiment
Lieutenant Colonel /Gorcheshvili/ signed
April 29,

I agree, he deserves the government award, order of Glory, 3rd cl.
Commander of 414-th Rifle Anapa division
Major-General /Dzaba??/
Signed
May 3, 1944

VI. Award Record
Under Order to 414th rifle Anapa division No 073/N of May 6, 1944 was awarded with the Order of Red Star

Head of Personnel Department of 414th RAD
Captain of executive department, signed /Latylev/
May 6, 1944

[jefflgarrison]

ok, I don't get it. It stated that he was awarded an ORS but actually got a Glory III?

How does that happen?

[ANZAC]

Originally Posted by jefflgarrison

ok, I don't get it. It stated that he was awarded an ORS but actually got a Glory III?

How does that happen?

Likely it was a typo by the clerk or 'Head of Personnel' as it is here. As there were likely many hundred going through the system I guess would be easy to make a mistake.

[CtahhR]

Georgij Gigoevich Zirkashvili's citation.