08-20-2003, 12:06 PM
Hello,
Sorry, it's me again :rolleyes:
An ukrainian on an other forum told me that :
"Here's what I can describe verbally without having a scanner or light pen, but, of course there was much more logos existing:
4th Guards Tank Corps: two oak leaves placed in a form of V letter, with large |''' letter (like rotated L) between leaves.
3rd Tank Bde: vertically stretched rhombus with a large "B" letter and small "1" lower index inside;
4th Guards Tank Bde: archer's arrow, placed horisontally, looking left, with a small "/|" letter over it
23rd Guards Mech Bde: donkey
25th Guards Tank Bde: archer's arrow, placed horisontally, looking left, with a small "6" letter (looks like 6 number) over it
25th Guards Tank Bde: archer's arrow, placed horisontally, looking left, with a small "|/|" letter over it
36th Guards Tank Bde: ravaged bear standing on its back legs
41st Guards Tank Bde: massive short arrow looking like
/\
--
|
==
(this arrow is the sign of 7th Mech Corps, in fact, and is repeated for all integral units as you'll see below)
44th Tank Bde: two thick short horisontal lines
===
===
45th Tank Bde: three thick short horisontal lines
===
===
===
47th Tank Bde:
//==\\
|| o ||
====
51st Tank Bde: a circle with a horisontally stretched ellipse inside
54th Guards Tank Bde: two circles one in other and "1" number inside
55th Guards Tank Bde: two circles one in other and "2" number inside
56th Guards Tank Bde: two circles one in other and "3" number inside
64th Guards Tank Bde (circles are connected with vertical line so it resembles a key):
6|4
OO
95th Tank Bde: two triangles one in another, the internal one is painted.
112th Tank Bde: a stylized bird
116th Tank Bde: vetical-stretched rhombus made of dashed lines with dashed horisontal line cutting it apart
A
V
In the upper half of the rhombus is written the number of battalion (1 or 2), in the bottom half the code of 116th Bde - "45" number.
/ \
/ 1 \
-----
\45/
\ /
135th Tank Bde: looks like a heart (or upward turned a s s ) in the circle
37th Guards Tank Regiment: rhinoceros
51st Tank Regiment:
/ \
/ B \
-----
\24/
\ /
58th Heavy Tank Regiment: the same 7th Mech Corps arrow (as of 41st Guards Tank Bde) but placed inside the triangle.
77th Tank Regiment: the same 7th Mech Corps arrow (as of 41st Guards Tank Bde) but placed inside the rectangle.
78th Heavy Tank Regiment: horisontally stretched rhombus with large Russian D letter inside (**** if I know how to describe the lookout of Cyrillic D letter verbally).
84th Heavy Tank Regiment: the same 7th Mech Corps arrow (as of 41st Guards Tank Bde) but placed inside the circle.
85th Heavy Tank Regiment: rhinoceros at the phone of the star
366th Guards SPG Regiment: quite complex insignia
_ _
/ / |
/ |
_| |
There were also many insignias for air units, I may list some of them as well, if you're interested.
Some artillery units had their insignias as well: f.ex. 231st Corps Artillery Regiment in 1941 had the following insignia: knight's shield was the general regimental symbol, while each battalion had its one personal symbol inside the regimental shield: 1st Bn (107mm) battalion - camel, 2nd (mixed 122mm and 107mm) - stork, 3rd (152mm) - fir and 4th (artillery recon) - trapezium."
What should I think from that ? Are these unit insignia unofficial, more tactical markings etc. ? But Rhinoceros, Donkey, Bear etc. don't seem to be tactical markings ... any idea ?
Best regards,
David
Sorry, it's me again :rolleyes:
An ukrainian on an other forum told me that :
"Here's what I can describe verbally without having a scanner or light pen, but, of course there was much more logos existing:
4th Guards Tank Corps: two oak leaves placed in a form of V letter, with large |''' letter (like rotated L) between leaves.
3rd Tank Bde: vertically stretched rhombus with a large "B" letter and small "1" lower index inside;
4th Guards Tank Bde: archer's arrow, placed horisontally, looking left, with a small "/|" letter over it
23rd Guards Mech Bde: donkey
25th Guards Tank Bde: archer's arrow, placed horisontally, looking left, with a small "6" letter (looks like 6 number) over it
25th Guards Tank Bde: archer's arrow, placed horisontally, looking left, with a small "|/|" letter over it
36th Guards Tank Bde: ravaged bear standing on its back legs
41st Guards Tank Bde: massive short arrow looking like
/\
--
|
==
(this arrow is the sign of 7th Mech Corps, in fact, and is repeated for all integral units as you'll see below)
44th Tank Bde: two thick short horisontal lines
===
===
45th Tank Bde: three thick short horisontal lines
===
===
===
47th Tank Bde:
//==\\
|| o ||
====
51st Tank Bde: a circle with a horisontally stretched ellipse inside
54th Guards Tank Bde: two circles one in other and "1" number inside
55th Guards Tank Bde: two circles one in other and "2" number inside
56th Guards Tank Bde: two circles one in other and "3" number inside
64th Guards Tank Bde (circles are connected with vertical line so it resembles a key):
6|4
OO
95th Tank Bde: two triangles one in another, the internal one is painted.
112th Tank Bde: a stylized bird
116th Tank Bde: vetical-stretched rhombus made of dashed lines with dashed horisontal line cutting it apart
A
V
In the upper half of the rhombus is written the number of battalion (1 or 2), in the bottom half the code of 116th Bde - "45" number.
/ \
/ 1 \
-----
\45/
\ /
135th Tank Bde: looks like a heart (or upward turned a s s ) in the circle
37th Guards Tank Regiment: rhinoceros
51st Tank Regiment:
/ \
/ B \
-----
\24/
\ /
58th Heavy Tank Regiment: the same 7th Mech Corps arrow (as of 41st Guards Tank Bde) but placed inside the triangle.
77th Tank Regiment: the same 7th Mech Corps arrow (as of 41st Guards Tank Bde) but placed inside the rectangle.
78th Heavy Tank Regiment: horisontally stretched rhombus with large Russian D letter inside (**** if I know how to describe the lookout of Cyrillic D letter verbally).
84th Heavy Tank Regiment: the same 7th Mech Corps arrow (as of 41st Guards Tank Bde) but placed inside the circle.
85th Heavy Tank Regiment: rhinoceros at the phone of the star
366th Guards SPG Regiment: quite complex insignia
_ _
/ / |
/ |
_| |
There were also many insignias for air units, I may list some of them as well, if you're interested.
Some artillery units had their insignias as well: f.ex. 231st Corps Artillery Regiment in 1941 had the following insignia: knight's shield was the general regimental symbol, while each battalion had its one personal symbol inside the regimental shield: 1st Bn (107mm) battalion - camel, 2nd (mixed 122mm and 107mm) - stork, 3rd (152mm) - fir and 4th (artillery recon) - trapezium."
What should I think from that ? Are these unit insignia unofficial, more tactical markings etc. ? But Rhinoceros, Donkey, Bear etc. don't seem to be tactical markings ... any idea ?
Best regards,
David
