02-29-2004, 07:44 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-29-2004, 10:48 AM by Christophe.)
Art,
Ed,
These last days, something sad happened in the Forum.
I have noticed similar events in other forums... Maybe I am the only one to have noticed it, but I feel concerned about it.
So, please, take these few words as positive and constructive as they can be interpreted.
Just some ideas, maybe a difficult diplomatic mission...
Ed (Haynes) - because of copyright issues mentioned in the thread relating to the non-soviet HSUs - has removed some of his posts in the Forum.
It is his choice.
But, these posts were very valuable (in my mind) and I'm sad for the Forum that they disappeared. Meanwhile (and hopefully), they remain in an other Forum where Ed contributes.
The problem at the origin of Ed's decision is copyright.
As far as I have understood, Ed is concerned by the fact that what he posts (intensive researchs and pics) in the Forum could be not anymore under his property / ownership, but under the Forum's one.
I think there are here 3 different copyright issues :
* Copyright related to Art's Main Site.
It mainly concerns pictures. Art has always been OK for proper credit to be included in the scans. According to the Forum "Guidelines for Image Submission", you just have to mention him you want your credit associated to your pic.
My comment : Art's position is right, and it is just normal, as you are (or have been) the owner of the award and of the associated pic you have taken. But, it makes no sense to claim copyright for very current items; this is understandable for the rarest awards only.
* Copyright related to Art's actual Contest.
It also concerns pictures. The same rules seem to apply, if you read the "Guidelines for Image Submission".
My comment : That's only logical, as the pics will also be finally posted in Art's main site. For the moment, I don't see here any problem.
But, if you read the "Official Contest Rules", you can see that : "All image contest entries become the property of the website and are bound by this website's terms of use policy", and this drives you to a "Terms of Use Policy" page following the "Guidelines for Image Submission", which seems to say things slightly differently (possibility of your credit to be included in the scans is not mentioned).
* Copyright related to Art's Forum.
It concerns pictures (not only scans of medals) and texts (may they be short or long, as some researchs already published in the Forum). If you apply the "Terms of Use Policy", all is "copyrighted property" of Art (the "site owner").
My comment : that's why Ed sees here a problem, and prefers to remove some of his posts, what is a pity for the Forum and all of us.
Now, let's propose some ideas to solve this problem.
My general comment and question to Art :
To avoid all ambiguitees, would you agree with the fact that "All materials contained in the site (Main Site, Contest, or Forum) could be the copyrighted property of Arthur G.Bates III (the "site owner"), ... except if the author of a contribution (article or picture) expressly asks for his proper credit to be mentioned ?
This would not not seem illogical to me, specifically for research, study or specific publication with real interest as well as a rare picture, or a picture of a rare award (not the classical stuff !!).
For indicating copyright : easy for pictures (Art already does it, just have to ask.) For texts, a short and small credit / copyright mention at the end (as we already do it when we take some elements from a book or a website)
Art, do you agree with this ? What are your comments ?
Ed, what do you think ? In these conditions, would you be ready to post back some of your interesting posts, and continue to be an active Forum Member ?
Many thanks to both of you for your comments, that, I hope, will in all manners contribute to make this Forum better and better.
Pfffouuh !! Difficult diplomatic mission !!
Cheers.
Ch.
PS to all : please, be indulgent with this long message, but this topic seems to me like a potential little time bomb, and we have interest to deal with it as soon as possible.
Ed,
These last days, something sad happened in the Forum.
I have noticed similar events in other forums... Maybe I am the only one to have noticed it, but I feel concerned about it. So, please, take these few words as positive and constructive as they can be interpreted.
Just some ideas, maybe a difficult diplomatic mission...
Ed (Haynes) - because of copyright issues mentioned in the thread relating to the non-soviet HSUs - has removed some of his posts in the Forum.
It is his choice.
But, these posts were very valuable (in my mind) and I'm sad for the Forum that they disappeared. Meanwhile (and hopefully), they remain in an other Forum where Ed contributes.
The problem at the origin of Ed's decision is copyright.
As far as I have understood, Ed is concerned by the fact that what he posts (intensive researchs and pics) in the Forum could be not anymore under his property / ownership, but under the Forum's one.
I think there are here 3 different copyright issues :
* Copyright related to Art's Main Site.
It mainly concerns pictures. Art has always been OK for proper credit to be included in the scans. According to the Forum "Guidelines for Image Submission", you just have to mention him you want your credit associated to your pic.
My comment : Art's position is right, and it is just normal, as you are (or have been) the owner of the award and of the associated pic you have taken. But, it makes no sense to claim copyright for very current items; this is understandable for the rarest awards only.
* Copyright related to Art's actual Contest.
It also concerns pictures. The same rules seem to apply, if you read the "Guidelines for Image Submission".
My comment : That's only logical, as the pics will also be finally posted in Art's main site. For the moment, I don't see here any problem.
But, if you read the "Official Contest Rules", you can see that : "All image contest entries become the property of the website and are bound by this website's terms of use policy", and this drives you to a "Terms of Use Policy" page following the "Guidelines for Image Submission", which seems to say things slightly differently (possibility of your credit to be included in the scans is not mentioned).
* Copyright related to Art's Forum.
It concerns pictures (not only scans of medals) and texts (may they be short or long, as some researchs already published in the Forum). If you apply the "Terms of Use Policy", all is "copyrighted property" of Art (the "site owner").
My comment : that's why Ed sees here a problem, and prefers to remove some of his posts, what is a pity for the Forum and all of us.
Now, let's propose some ideas to solve this problem.
My general comment and question to Art :
To avoid all ambiguitees, would you agree with the fact that "All materials contained in the site (Main Site, Contest, or Forum) could be the copyrighted property of Arthur G.Bates III (the "site owner"), ... except if the author of a contribution (article or picture) expressly asks for his proper credit to be mentioned ?
This would not not seem illogical to me, specifically for research, study or specific publication with real interest as well as a rare picture, or a picture of a rare award (not the classical stuff !!).
For indicating copyright : easy for pictures (Art already does it, just have to ask.) For texts, a short and small credit / copyright mention at the end (as we already do it when we take some elements from a book or a website)
Art, do you agree with this ? What are your comments ?
Ed, what do you think ? In these conditions, would you be ready to post back some of your interesting posts, and continue to be an active Forum Member ?
Many thanks to both of you for your comments, that, I hope, will in all manners contribute to make this Forum better and better.
Pfffouuh !! Difficult diplomatic mission !!
Cheers.
Ch.
PS to all : please, be indulgent with this long message, but this topic seems to me like a potential little time bomb, and we have interest to deal with it as soon as possible.
