08-04-2004, 09:06 PM
Quote:Well, first, all NKVD generals ( real ones) are rare; they don't often come in at all. Those with the "wave" stripes are even rarer still ( see this shot of the parade M1943 NKVD general). I have only had in 2, with a possible third on the way.
You confusing generals of NKVD troops and commissars of state security.
On the first photograph is everyday tunic (kitel) with shoulder boards of COMMISSAR of state security of 3rd rank (two stars represents 3rd rank) and on the second photograph is parade dress (mundir) of GENERAL of NKVD troops with wrong shoulder boards of COMMISSAR of state security. Because of wrong shoulder boards. it is impossible to say what troops (i.e. internal troops, prisoner convoy troops, troops for guarding railroads, troops for guarding manufacturing plants, troops of government communications etc.)
The only thing you can tell for sure it’s not frontier troops.
Quote:This tunic that Bill was smart enough to grab is very rare as it is a field NKVD
general; rarer than a service M1943, not as rare as a parade one, but still, I have never seen another (there is one in the shalito large book, but it is later war).
What makes it field ? This is regular everyday tunic.
Quote:The wave has yet to be solved; was it for all NKVD generals, but just used in 1943-1944, or is it for Generals of the NKGB. Its is still under debate.
Under debate by who?
As per NKVD order № 126 from 18 February 1943 wave green double breasted mundirs were for generals of all NKVD troops. Single breasted steel grey mundirs were for top commanding personal of state security (GUGB).
On April 14 1943 NKVD were divided once again into two commissariats (NKVD and NKGB) and on April 18 1943 kontrintelegense GUKR “Smersh” was transferred to NKO (People’s commissariat of defense) and intelligence of the navy UKR “Smersh” to the NKVMF (People’s commissariat of the navy), but they continue to were GUGB uniforms.
Confusion may come that a lot of people just received new uniforms and get transferred to different divisions and departments, but continue to wear them, because nobody will gave them new appropriate one until periods designated for uniform is expired.
That all was changed on July 6 1945. I was trying to attach a copy of original orders, but it was saing file is too large. File is 116k and I can attach only 50k, but it's unreadable then.
By the way belt is wrong tooooo. It’s for GUGB not for the NKVD troops.












