07-14-2007, 04:11 PM
As long as we are speaking hypothetically :) this is from Kuchenko's Orders of the Soviet Republics, ISBN 5-7707-5732-9, p. 47, "Order of the Red Banner of Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic":
"The Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR had one class only. On May 19th, 1920 the All-Russian Central Executive Committee passed a decree on repeated awarding with the Order of the Red Banner. For those awarded two or three times and more, special insignia were made.
The head of the Engineering Division of the Supply Department of Voronezh Military Commissariat, M.S. Kiselev became the first chevalier (I'm assuming he is using this word in the meaning of a "chivalrous individual") of the Order of the Red Banner of Labour RSFSR marked as 2nd. (I know the author has included the RSFSR award for the Red Banner of Labor here, instead of the RSFSR ORB. I didn't see M.C. Kиселев mentioned in either the ORB or ORBL list of recipients the author appends to each section) The order marked with figures 3 and 4 belonged to Jan Fabritsius who was rewarded with the Order of Red Banner of Labour 4 times. (again he is saying ORBL, yet his name appears in the list of recipients for ORB. He was awarded first; #4 on 10.3.1919, his second; #337 on 13.10.1919; his third; #1 on 23.03.1921 and his fourth; #1 on 31.12.1921).
After formation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Central Executive Committee of the USSR issued a decree on introducing the All-Union Order of the Red Banner. It was decided that the order design should be left unchanged while the letters of RSFSR were to be replaced with USSR letters. (nothing new there)
However, the Leningrad Mint was not in a hurry to start manufacturing new orders. By the beginning of the 1925 Presidium of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, several thousand orders of the Red Banner of the RSFSR had accumulated, therefore it was decided to proceed with awarding the republican order on behalf of the Central Executive Committee of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Revolutionary Committee of the USSR.
Unfortunately there were alot of exceptions to this rule. Actually all the chevaliers of the first republican order that went through the purges of Stalin and the Great Patriotic War had to exchange their previous awards for the new ones in compliance with new regulations addressing the wearing and attaching of awards to clothing. Therefore the Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR is quite rare in spite of a great number of the orders manufactured. (well, we knew that part)
The resolution of the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as of 5 May 1930 read that all chevaliers of the order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR were granted equal privileges and rights with those awarded with the Order of the Red Banner of the USSR."
My opinion, a very spotty regulation. I'm thinking it would depend on what awards they had on site at the time you received number 2.
"The Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR had one class only. On May 19th, 1920 the All-Russian Central Executive Committee passed a decree on repeated awarding with the Order of the Red Banner. For those awarded two or three times and more, special insignia were made.
The head of the Engineering Division of the Supply Department of Voronezh Military Commissariat, M.S. Kiselev became the first chevalier (I'm assuming he is using this word in the meaning of a "chivalrous individual") of the Order of the Red Banner of Labour RSFSR marked as 2nd. (I know the author has included the RSFSR award for the Red Banner of Labor here, instead of the RSFSR ORB. I didn't see M.C. Kиселев mentioned in either the ORB or ORBL list of recipients the author appends to each section) The order marked with figures 3 and 4 belonged to Jan Fabritsius who was rewarded with the Order of Red Banner of Labour 4 times. (again he is saying ORBL, yet his name appears in the list of recipients for ORB. He was awarded first; #4 on 10.3.1919, his second; #337 on 13.10.1919; his third; #1 on 23.03.1921 and his fourth; #1 on 31.12.1921).
After formation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Central Executive Committee of the USSR issued a decree on introducing the All-Union Order of the Red Banner. It was decided that the order design should be left unchanged while the letters of RSFSR were to be replaced with USSR letters. (nothing new there)
However, the Leningrad Mint was not in a hurry to start manufacturing new orders. By the beginning of the 1925 Presidium of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, several thousand orders of the Red Banner of the RSFSR had accumulated, therefore it was decided to proceed with awarding the republican order on behalf of the Central Executive Committee of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Revolutionary Committee of the USSR.
Unfortunately there were alot of exceptions to this rule. Actually all the chevaliers of the first republican order that went through the purges of Stalin and the Great Patriotic War had to exchange their previous awards for the new ones in compliance with new regulations addressing the wearing and attaching of awards to clothing. Therefore the Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR is quite rare in spite of a great number of the orders manufactured. (well, we knew that part)
The resolution of the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as of 5 May 1930 read that all chevaliers of the order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR were granted equal privileges and rights with those awarded with the Order of the Red Banner of the USSR."
My opinion, a very spotty regulation. I'm thinking it would depend on what awards they had on site at the time you received number 2.
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