Bravery medal group

new world · 04-11-2008, 06:09 AM

Please post your opinions of the authenticity of this little group.

I am curious if entries in the order book are legit.

entries in the order book

***desantnik*** · 04-11-2008, 06:24 AM

It is difficult to tell when information is covered up. The booklet seems a later variety for three early-war BMs, which although possible, would probably have included other awards if filled out post-war.

Three pentagonal-suspension awardings of BMs to a single recipient are a truly rare occurence, however three early-suspension BMs would be even rarer - I've never seen such a group.

It could be good, but at face value I'd be skeptical.

I just realized that there are two BM and one CSM, but I still am skeptical.

Nota Bene · 04-12-2008, 02:49 PM

It's hard to tell from this scan, but quite possibly all three entires are not original.

Alexei

new world · 04-17-2008, 11:58 AM

I did a bit of research.

What you see on the scan is Medal Document - Type 2 (by Mondvor site classification). Type 2 documents were issued from 1947.

In addition, I see signature of Pegov, which started to appear from 1953.

So, the Order Book was issued on or after 1953.

First entry in the book is Medal For Military Merit with SN below 100,000, which probably was awarded in the beginning years of Patriotic War or even pre-war.

Why do we have order book for such early awards issued only after 1953?

Is this possible?

William

Lapa · 04-17-2008, 03:47 PM

William,

Yes, it would be possible, if the recipient lost the original book for instance. Now, you want to have a look at the very bottom of the page, under the medals. There is written the date the booklet was issued.

Marc

new world · 04-21-2008, 05:22 AM

Seller of this group suddenly is no longer registered on eBay.

Go figure.

William

Lapa · 04-21-2008, 06:32 AM

Oh! What a surprize... :rolleyes:

Marc

Ruiz · 12-04-2010, 03:48 PM

Hi, I need help with this bravery and combat service document group.
Best regards from Spain.

Ruiz · 12-04-2010, 03:51 PM

And the medals.....

ph3s · 12-07-2010, 04:32 PM

Ruiz I'm afraid only research could confirm or decline it, Entries in booklet look OK, but those are so easy to fake, bear in mind there were hundreds of stamps left at military commissariats, most of them got sold to different kind of people.

12-07-2010, 04:32 PM	#10
ph3s Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: £ U.c K. Posts: 189	Re: Bravery medal group Ruiz I'm afraid only research could confirm or decline it, Entries in booklet look OK, but those are so easy to fake, bear in mind there were hundreds of stamps left at military commissariats, most of them got sold to different kind of people. __________________ whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you stranger (c)

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04-11-2008, 06:24 AM	#2
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,341	It is difficult to tell when information is covered up. The booklet seems a later variety for three early-war BMs, which although possible, would probably have included other awards if filled out post-war. Three pentagonal-suspension awardings of BMs to a single recipient are a truly rare occurence, however three early-suspension BMs would be even rarer - I've never seen such a group. It could be good, but at face value I'd be skeptical. I just realized that there are two BM and one CSM, but I still am skeptical.

04-12-2008, 02:49 PM	#3
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	It's hard to tell from this scan, but quite possibly all three entires are not original. Alexei

04-17-2008, 11:58 AM	#4
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	I did a bit of research. What you see on the scan is Medal Document - Type 2 (by Mondvor site classification). Type 2 documents were issued from 1947. In addition, I see signature of Pegov, which started to appear from 1953. So, the Order Book was issued on or after 1953. First entry in the book is Medal For Military Merit with SN below 100,000, which probably was awarded in the beginning years of Patriotic War or even pre-war. Why do we have order book for such early awards issued only after 1953? Is this possible? William

04-17-2008, 03:47 PM	#5
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	William, Yes, it would be possible, if the recipient lost the original book for instance. Now, you want to have a look at the very bottom of the page, under the medals. There is written the date the booklet was issued. Marc

04-21-2008, 05:22 AM	#6
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	Seller of this group suddenly is no longer registered on eBay. Go figure. William

04-21-2008, 06:32 AM	#7
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Oh! What a surprize... :rolleyes: Marc

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