Guards Badges - Page 2

Nota Bene · 11-13-2002, 05:44 PM

Kim,

There are three types of this badge - WWII issue (1942), post-war issue (1950) and aluminum (1960s), and dozens of variations for each type. Of course there is also a Navy Guards badge, which is totally different.

There screwplates on your first and thirds badges are not original.

Alexei

Kim · 11-14-2002, 12:33 PM

No, the third is not an original plate. But I do think that the first is original. Roman Tavast was said to be a firm that made badges and such in Tallinn, Estonia. Also the plate fits 100percent with the screw. It's not wartime issue I think, but a nice post war badge in good quality.

/Kim

Nota Bene · 11-14-2002, 05:53 PM

Kim,

I believe the first badge is a War-time issue. I don't think they were making them in Tallin.

Alexei

Kim · 11-15-2002, 02:05 AM

I'm not sure but I think it's early post war. Then it could be made in Tallinn. I agree that making Guards badges in Tallinn would not be a smart move before late -44.

Have you seen any other badges of this variation that have an other type of plate?

/Kim

Nota Bene · 11-15-2002, 06:42 PM

Kim,

Badges issued in 1942-1950 are considered WWII issue. The main difference is that they don't have those "waves" on the banner like 1950 and later issues. The main variations of the WWII issue are without the fringe on the banner and with the fringe. These badges were made by "Pobeda" factory and some others, which explains why there are so many minor variations.

The "checkering" on your Tallin badge looks quite unusual. I don't think I have ever seen anything quite like it. I wonder if anybody else had seen/has a Guards badge with similar details and the same screwplate.

Alexei

Tal Inbar · 11-23-2002, 07:54 AM

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Nota Bene · 11-23-2002, 02:59 PM

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otlichnik · 01-02-2003, 06:00 AM

Hmmm. I have two problems with it but hopefully Alexei and others will comment too.

First the letters look wrong and it looks like they are somewhat covered with enamel?? Second, what is the cross-hatching on the little section at the bottom where SSSR (CCCP) is written? I have never seen it before.

Shawn

Kim · 01-02-2003, 12:39 PM

Rusty, it's always hard to say something from one photo. But if you could perhaps post a photo of the reverse it would be easier to say good or bad.

You good points about the badge Shawn, it looks a bit crude. I have never seen this type before either, not that this says much..:)

/Kim

HuliganRS · 01-02-2003, 12:42 PM

Kim,

This photo is off eBay.
The seller is reputable but may not know real from fake, which is the reason I asked.

So you are leaning tward fake?

Rusty.

01-02-2003, 12:42 PM	#10
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	I wish I had more pictures Kim, This photo is off eBay. The seller is reputable but may not know real from fake, which is the reason I asked. So you are leaning tward fake? Rusty.

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11-13-2002, 05:44 PM	#1
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Kim, There are three types of this badge - WWII issue (1942), post-war issue (1950) and aluminum (1960s), and dozens of variations for each type. Of course there is also a Navy Guards badge, which is totally different. There screwplates on your first and thirds badges are not original. Alexei

11-14-2002, 12:33 PM	#2
Kim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 227	No, the third is not an original plate. But I do think that the first is original. Roman Tavast was said to be a firm that made badges and such in Tallinn, Estonia. Also the plate fits 100percent with the screw. It's not wartime issue I think, but a nice post war badge in good quality. /Kim

11-14-2002, 05:53 PM	#3
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Kim, I believe the first badge is a War-time issue. I don't think they were making them in Tallin. Alexei

11-15-2002, 02:05 AM	#4
Kim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 227	I'm not sure but I think it's early post war. Then it could be made in Tallinn. I agree that making Guards badges in Tallinn would not be a smart move before late -44. Have you seen any other badges of this variation that have an other type of plate? /Kim

11-15-2002, 06:42 PM	#5
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Kim, Badges issued in 1942-1950 are considered WWII issue. The main difference is that they don't have those "waves" on the banner like 1950 and later issues. The main variations of the WWII issue are without the fringe on the banner and with the fringe. These badges were made by "Pobeda" factory and some others, which explains why there are so many minor variations. The "checkering" on your Tallin badge looks quite unusual. I don't think I have ever seen anything quite like it. I wonder if anybody else had seen/has a Guards badge with similar details and the same screwplate. Alexei

01-02-2003, 06:00 AM	#8
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Hmmm. I have two problems with it but hopefully Alexei and others will comment too. First the letters look wrong and it looks like they are somewhat covered with enamel?? Second, what is the cross-hatching on the little section at the bottom where SSSR (CCCP) is written? I have never seen it before. Shawn

01-02-2003, 12:39 PM	#9
Kim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 227	Rusty, it's always hard to say something from one photo. But if you could perhaps post a photo of the reverse it would be easier to say good or bad. You good points about the badge Shawn, it looks a bit crude. I have never seen this type before either, not that this says much..:) /Kim

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