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Old 01-09-2008, 05:51 PM   #11
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William,

That's why I have asked for complete scans - most likely the original information was bleached out from the booklet and fake entries added.

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Old 01-11-2008, 10:02 AM   #12
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Colleagues,

It's official now - the awards have been added to the group.

Yesterday I talked to another collector who bought this group last year and ran research. The research confirmed that some awards have been added.

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Old 01-11-2008, 11:18 AM   #13
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Add that seller to the list of those that will never have their doorway darkened.
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:33 AM   #14
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Were any notations original?

Were any of the award notations original, or had they all been bleached out and rewritten?

Also, which awards were added post-facto? Just the LS ORB, or did the research indicate that maybe a couple of those wartime-serial numbered awards also belonged to someone else?

Is there any indication that photo was somehow faked/added later also? It doesn't seem to match the usual head-on "mug shot" aspect often seen in such photos.

Did you get a copy of the research that the other, previous owner-collector had done on this?

I think knowing a bit more about how it was done would be helpful for us all in identifying these in the future.

I guess if one collector proved it was a made-up set, that information would surely have been passed to the dealer. If so, is this a case of the dealer knowingly committing a mortal sin? Like in so many legal statutes, "intent" is often a very important factor.

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Were any of the award notations original, or had they all been bleached out and rewritten?

Also, which awards were added post-facto? Just the LS ORB, or did the research indicate that maybe a couple of those wartime-serial numbered awards also belonged to someone else?

Is there any indication that photo was somehow faked/added later also? It doesn't seem to match the usual head-on "mug shot" aspect often seen in such photos.

Did you get a copy of the research that the other, previous owner-collector had done on this?

I think knowing a bit more about how it was done would be helpful for us all in identifying these in the future.

I guess if one collector proved it was a made-up set, that information would surely have been passed to the dealer. If so, is this a case of the dealer knowingly committing a mortal sin? Like in so many legal statutes, "intent" is often a very important factor.

...Brian
I don't know all the details of the research, as I lost any interest in the group upon reading members' comments and learning the group was a put-together.

Previous buyer is a member of this forum, he can contribute more details if he wishes.

As for the seller, to sell the group with the knowledge it's not really a group - it's not just a mortal sin, it's an outright fraud!

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As for the seller, to sell the group with the knowledge it's not really a group - it's not just a mortal sin, it's an outright fraud!

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I couldn't agree more!

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