Medal "For Bravery". - Page 17

Pobeda45 · 10-12-2010, 08:28 PM

Hi gents,

I wanted to get your opinion--here's a nice early BM, but with an fake suspension (from a VDNH medal?) and added red enamel.

Here's an idea I am toying with--should I cut the fake ring and put the medal on a 5-sided suspension as it probably spent the (majority) of its life?

Wanted to hear the experts on this one. :thumbsup

George

UQWozza · 10-12-2010, 08:42 PM

An interesting question - to change or not?

I suppose it depends what the reason was for the "fake" suspension being added. I guess there are two possible answers: (1.) the awardee did it for some reason (to look like it originally did); or (2.) it was done by some dealer to fool a buyer.

Either way you could argue that the fake suspension has become part of the story of the medal, and as such should not be changed.

I only change things which in the long-term would damage the item e.g. to clean or not to clean, etc.

To my eye it doesn't look too bad so I would leave it as it is if it was in my collection.

Simon

P.S. Have you done any research on this one?

Pobeda45 · 10-12-2010, 08:59 PM

Good points Simon. My guess is that a dealer did this to fool unsuspecting buyers. Hmm, something to think about for sure. I would think a veteran had it on a 5-sided suspension, wonder if it's more "real" to restore.

George

***desantnik*** · 10-12-2010, 09:49 PM

I would leave it as is. You know it has been altered and if you ever sold it I hope you would inform the purchaser of its condition.

Lapa · 10-13-2010, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UQWozza

An interesting question - to change or not?

I suppose it depends what the reason was for the "fake" suspension being added. I guess there are two possible answers: (1.) the awardee did it for some reason (to look like it originally did); or (2.) it was done by some dealer to fool a buyer...

Simon,

Do you seriously believe in what you write? What would be the reasons for a veteran to revert to a suspension that was officially changed in 1943 and never allowed back?

From meeting and discussing with many Soviet veterans, they did not care what the original shape of an award was; regulations said that you must hang it on a 5-sided suspension, then you simply did it, the main thing being that it hangs proudly on your chest with your other awards.

Marc

EricFG · 10-13-2010, 07:10 AM

I agree with Simon & Paul; leave it as it is. I think if it were mine and I changed it I'd regret doing so later. It also makes a great place-filler until you can get the real deal.

Pobeda45 · 10-13-2010, 10:07 AM

Thanks gents. I think I'll leave it as is for now--but I tend to agree with Marc.. Not only was there a regulation to change the suspensions to the "new" kind but also it just looked cleaner with all the jubilee and campaign medals that the veterans received later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UQWozza

Have you done any research on this one?

I should--it's on my to do list. :thumbsup

George

UQWozza · 10-17-2010, 11:57 PM

Hi Marc,

I missed your previous post about why I had wondered whether a veteran had changed the suspension back to what it previously looked like. I have only met a few veterans but this was based on a chance meeting I had with a couple of veterans a few years ago. Both had recently converted their BMs back to the rectangular versions because they wanted them to look like the form they were originally issued. They felt that this showed that they gained their medals earlier in the war when such awards were harder to gain (roughly their words).

Simon

***desantnik*** · 03-13-2011, 12:23 AM

Third digit?

Alfred · 03-13-2011, 01:55 AM

I tend to think it is a six.

regards
Andreas

10-12-2010, 08:42 PM	#162
UQWozza Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 63 Posts: 432	Re: Restore fake early suspension to 5-sided? An interesting question - to change or not? I suppose it depends what the reason was for the "fake" suspension being added. I guess there are two possible answers: (1.) the awardee did it for some reason (to look like it originally did); or (2.) it was done by some dealer to fool a buyer. Either way you could argue that the fake suspension has become part of the story of the medal, and as such should not be changed. I only change things which in the long-term would damage the item e.g. to clean or not to clean, etc. To my eye it doesn't look too bad so I would leave it as it is if it was in my collection. Simon P.S. Have you done any research on this one?

10-12-2010, 08:59 PM	#163
Pobeda45 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 605	Re: Restore fake early suspension to 5-sided? Good points Simon. My guess is that a dealer did this to fool unsuspecting buyers. Hmm, something to think about for sure. I would think a veteran had it on a 5-sided suspension, wonder if it's more "real" to restore. George

10-12-2010, 09:49 PM	#164
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,343	Re: Restore fake early suspension to 5-sided? I would leave it as is. You know it has been altered and if you ever sold it I hope you would inform the purchaser of its condition.

10-13-2010, 07:10 AM	#166
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Restore fake early suspension to 5-sided? I agree with Simon & Paul; leave it as it is. I think if it were mine and I changed it I'd regret doing so later. It also makes a great place-filler until you can get the real deal. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

10-17-2010, 11:57 PM	#168
UQWozza Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 63 Posts: 432	Re: Restore fake early suspension to 5-sided? Hi Marc, I missed your previous post about why I had wondered whether a veteran had changed the suspension back to what it previously looked like. I have only met a few veterans but this was based on a chance meeting I had with a couple of veterans a few years ago. Both had recently converted their BMs back to the rectangular versions because they wanted them to look like the form they were originally issued. They felt that this showed that they gained their medals earlier in the war when such awards were harder to gain (roughly their words). Simon

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