Lenin Group

[jefflgarrison]

Responding to Lauri, "Ah yes, but in this case, HOW MUCH LATER?"

And one other question. Russians, like Poles, put a line through their 7's. However, it doesn't seem to be the case for the number of the "Order of Lenin". This doesn't seem to be an error they would normally make since that would differentiate their 1's from 7's.

[Mark Signa]

$2250. Nice group, but, still too much.

[Nota Bene]

Originally Posted by jefflgarrison

And one other question. Russians, like Poles, put a line through their 7's. However, it doesn't seem to be the case for the number of the "Order of Lenin".

Not always, depends on the engraver, and certainly not in stamped digits.

Alexei

[Lauri]

Originally Posted by jefflgarrison

Responding to Lauri, "Ah yes, but in this case, HOW MUCH LATER?"

Both las entrys- Red Banner of labor and Lenin are ~50's awards, it's normal that they are written on the same booklet.

Just to let you know, the group is now a non-sale due to comments posted on this forum. Please use better judgement in the future when talking about other people's items that are for sale. I think that you are so used to seeing all of the junk on e-auction sites, that it has blurred your vision when it comes to the real deal!

There is nothing wrong with any of the orders. They are all original orders and in excellent condition. We put a lot of time & effort into checking all weights, measurements, etc., before we list anything. We take exception to the posting of this group under the subject - Fake Alert - documented groups. There was a more appropriate place to list this if the more inexperienced collectors had questions about serial numbers, dates & deciphering the award booklet. Yes, it's fine to question other people's items, because that's how you learn. However, don't make & then post your assumptions, especially if you don't have all of the facts. By the way, no one even bothered to email us during the sale with their questions/comments. We are more than happy to respond to questions or send higher resolution scans during the sale.

[charlet]

this forum is here to examinate, discuss all hypothesis and eliminate the bad ones about soviet stuff...

[jefflgarrison]

While Heritagetoys may take exception to where it was posted, I believe that it was the right place. Alfred stated in his original post that he wasn't questioning the awards themselves but whether it was a genuine group, hense whether the group had been faked.

Paul came in early on in the discussion to state, with his experience and knowledge, that he felt that the group was legit. Lauri seconded it. So what is the beef? That the group was questioned in the first place? That is what this forum is for. Was it purchased by you or someone you now from the family of the original awardee? If so, it should have been stated in the description. If not, do we not have a right to give our opinions.

The beef.... is that we lost a $2250.00 sale, because of comments & innuendo that were posted on this forum. And, someone took our photographs from our auction and posted them here, without our permission! It took forum members a few days to sort out what we already knew, that the group was legit. Why did we already know it was legit? Because we did our homework before we tried to sell the group. That meant several hours checking measurements, weights, looking in our reference books, going to a certain excellent Russian site, checking dates on serial numbers, etc. No, we didn't purchase them from the family, and why does that matter? The items should always stand on their own merits. No "story" should be more important than the actual items.

Meanwhile, the high bidder saw your discussion (not the conclusion), and decided to back out. This occurred after we already had this up for sale a few days before, and a hacker stole someone's account and that sale was voided. So, we're a little miffed that on trying to sell it yet again, it is voided yet again. Sorry if we sound a little harsh, but wouldn't you be upset if someone ruined a Two Thousand Two Hundred Fifty Dollar Sale for you? I think you would be. Again, we believe in this forum, but you must be careful in posting comments when you have no idea what you're talking about (we're referring to the comment about the line through the 7's in the serial no & the April 1943 date in the booklet). Perhaps the moderator or owner may want to set some new forum rules?

[matteti]

Hello Heritagetoys,
I can understand your frustration and it is bad that you lost a sale, but at the same time, I would like to say (from my own personal opinion) that the members here are not responsible for the lost sale. In any sale, the buyer is fully responsible for his decision to buy or not to buy. As other members have expressed here, we simply discussed the awards and the result was that the experts didn't see anything wrong in the awards based on the provided images.

I feel the more information we can get about something, the best it is. It is our responsibility to each of us (buyers) to take what we want and ignore the rest among all the info when we make a purchase decision.. The people who discussed your awards are not responsible.

Just a personal suggestion, you could always offer your buyer to have the awards authentified at his cost with an offer to reimburse authentication cost plus cancel the sale if the awards ended up being wrong.

Finally, I wanted to say that, by discussing auctions, our forum also give more visibility to some items and can potentially attract more buyers therefore lead to higher prices for the seller. So, I would not say that the forum is so bad for sellers. If you know your items are fully legit, then it's your responsability to convince the buyer. It seems here you failed at it. Maybe it was also that the buyer changed his mind and was just looking for an excuse.

Sorry for your lost sale and hopefully for you you will be able to sell your group.

[charlet]

hello, I believe this perfectly legit to feel upset by such a loss .
But in my opinion, medals business is not without any risks. And I find extremly delicate the assertion considering this DISCUSSION place as responsible for a buyer's more or less rationnal decison...