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11-12-2003, 04:51 PM | #21 |
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Alexei,
Many thanks for your comments. Here are the additional measurements you asked for : * Thickness at the tips of the sunburst (in beginning by the top one, and clockwise) : * Top tip (without the ring) : 2.97 mm. * Top-right tip : 3.06 mm. * Bottom-right tip : 2.97 mm. * Bottom-left tip : 2.96 mm. * Top-left tip : 2.83 mm. For the "middle", I am not sure to have fully understood... What do you mean : the middle of the order itself ? Extremely difficult to measure because of the rotondity of the order... And do you measure it including the thickness of the letters or not ? Or is it the middle of the tips of the sunburst (far more easy to do...) ? Can you precise it ? I hope these measurements have been well done, as it not easy at all to succeed in doing them !! In advance, many thanks. Ch. |
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11-12-2003, 05:09 PM | #22 |
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Christophe,
I think I've tortured you enough with my questions :) I believe that your Order is most likely genuine. Alexei |
11-12-2003, 05:25 PM | #23 |
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Alexei,
Excellent news !! Even if I was not really worried about it... it is always better to know. BTW, I still have a capacity of resistance :) , so if you need any other measurement... More seriously, do you have a database on the measurements you asked ? Do you have comparisons points, and are you able to see - thanks to the content of your database - on this basis if an OPC is genuine or not ? If you have one, - I would fully understand you don"t disclose its content -, it would be very interesting to have an idea. Many thanks for your knowledge. Cheers. Ch. |
11-15-2003, 05:55 PM | #24 |
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Christophe,
I have an extensive database with measurements and detailed scans of comparison points for many types and variations. I also have a very large collection of zeroxes of Paul McDaniel's COAs. Your piece looks good, all the usual check points seem OK, and all the measurements are within range. I still can't say that I am 100% sure that this piece is good, because for that I will need to actually see it, but most likely it is good. Alexei |
12-24-2003, 05:35 AM | #25 |
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Alexei, Christophe,
This Personal Courage looks somewhat familiar, could it be from the same dealer in Berlin? Awarded to Vasilij Sergevich Korinskoj on the 24.05.1991 for Personal Bravery does this match?
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12-24-2003, 09:58 AM | #26 |
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Difficult to answer.
Mine booklet is, according to PMD, a variation 6. The one you posted is a variation 7 (the latest variation). If it is a genuine one, its SN seems to extend the range of awarded OPC's SNs. Alexei, any comment ? We would be interested in benefiting from your expertise and knowledge. Ch. |
12-24-2003, 11:35 AM | #27 |
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Christophe,
I should have added that the sellers address is in Berlin, thats what made me wonder if it,s maybe the same guy. The variation 7 could fit with the award Date 1991, if it,s OK then it must be one of the last issued. Eddie
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Eddie,
Interesting to know... You said that the seller was from Berlin. Who is it ? Please PM his name... it is always interesting to know... I agree with you on variation 7... but let Alexei (the Expertise, Experience and Knowledge) talk !! Cheers. Ch. Quote:
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11-20-2004, 01:13 PM | #29 |
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Just for reference an authentic order of personal courage Var 1, unissued.
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11-20-2004, 02:18 PM | #30 |
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Ron,
Nice piece :) Alexei BTW, this should help us in detecting fakes: |
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