Fake Order And Medal Booklets - Page 3

Eugene · 08-31-2003, 09:13 PM

There is nothing to think about such Cavalier didn't exist. That means hte group is made up. If you look at order book it's more than obvious.

new world · 08-31-2003, 10:12 PM

I agree with Eugene.

The easiest way to check - just look in The Cavaliers of Glory Orders book, the name isn't listed in the book.

Plus, the entries obviously have been added to the order book...

Vlad

vova · 09-03-2003, 02:31 AM

Usually I am very suspicious to the documents with blurred entries and especially to those documents where some entries are blurred and others are clear. Therefore, I would guess the guy did not have Patrioitic war and smth else instead, and he never had Glory 1 and Lenin order.

Nota Bene · 09-16-2003, 04:53 PM

Vova,

Last four entries were added.

Alexei

new world · 10-01-2003, 05:40 PM

Colleagues,

please take a look at this ID for the Glory set.

What mekes me suspicious - the fact that Glories entries are made with Arab numeral instead of Roman ones:

Glory 3rd class and Glory 2nd class

instead of

Glory III class and Glory II class.

I've never seen stamps with Arab numerals. Is this a warning sign?

Thank you,
William

Nota Bene · 10-01-2003, 06:43 PM

William,

You are right, usually it's Roman numerals. Still I don't think that this by itself would be a major warning sign, but I also have a "bad feeling about the group". I think most of all I don't like the hand writting, which is similar to what I have seen in some other fake documents. This group needs to be researched, but if you do have it researched be sure to check number of the awards document with that from the research.

Alexei

new world · 10-03-2003, 06:21 AM

Thank you, Alexei!

Here's bottom part of the docs page. What do you think?

Thanks,
William

olezha11 · 10-03-2003, 12:59 PM

What is the order's book serial number?

Nota Bene · 10-03-2003, 07:39 PM

William,

Hand writting looks a bit shaky... I don;t like it.

The latest trend in the faking industry is to errase all the information in a genuine award document and put new entries. So far I have no idea how they do it without damaging the paper or background, but I am working on it.

Alexei

charlet · 10-04-2003, 07:03 AM

correct me if I'm wrong, but the writting in "script" makes me think to the 80' style. Old docs have often neat writting: even in France our grandfathers have the same neat style learnt in all world schools of the 30'.....

The photo looks brand new, but the document too: seen from my computer, without the cloth cover felt in my hands, I'd think it could be a re-impression with a quality offset: no tears to the paper, no wearing, no traces nor moisture, the paper is not yellowish like some old ones...

10-04-2003, 07:03 AM	#30
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	correct me if I'm wrong, but the writting in "script" makes me think to the 80' style. Old docs have often neat writting: even in France our grandfathers have the same neat style learnt in all world schools of the 30'..... The photo looks brand new, but the document too: seen from my computer, without the cloth cover felt in my hands, I'd think it could be a re-impression with a quality offset: no tears to the paper, no wearing, no traces nor moisture, the paper is not yellowish like some old ones... __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

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08-31-2003, 09:13 PM	#21
Eugene Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NY,NY Posts: 157	There is nothing to think about such Cavalier didn't exist. That means hte group is made up. If you look at order book it's more than obvious.

08-31-2003, 10:12 PM	#22
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	I agree with Eugene. The easiest way to check - just look in The Cavaliers of Glory Orders book, the name isn't listed in the book. Plus, the entries obviously have been added to the order book... Vlad

09-03-2003, 02:31 AM	#23
vova New Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ukraine Posts: 4	Usually I am very suspicious to the documents with blurred entries and especially to those documents where some entries are blurred and others are clear. Therefore, I would guess the guy did not have Patrioitic war and smth else instead, and he never had Glory 1 and Lenin order.

09-16-2003, 04:53 PM	#24
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Vova, Last four entries were added. Alexei

10-01-2003, 06:43 PM	#26
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	William, You are right, usually it's Roman numerals. Still I don't think that this by itself would be a major warning sign, but I also have a "bad feeling about the group". I think most of all I don't like the hand writting, which is similar to what I have seen in some other fake documents. This group needs to be researched, but if you do have it researched be sure to check number of the awards document with that from the research. Alexei

10-03-2003, 12:59 PM	#28
olezha11 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York, USA Posts: 37	What is the order's book serial number?

10-03-2003, 07:39 PM	#29
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	William, Hand writting looks a bit shaky... I don;t like it. The latest trend in the faking industry is to errase all the information in a genuine award document and put new entries. So far I have no idea how they do it without damaging the paper or background, but I am working on it. Alexei

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