Red Banner. - Page 35

Lapa · 08-14-2010, 02:38 AM

Phillip,

Sounds like I may not have been clear enough, here ;)

What I mean is that ORB #26399 was issued most likely during the first half of 1942, and that ORB2 #26399 was issued in the mid-1950's (by the way, it was of the oval type, not of the round one) - in other terms, we are dealing here with different "classes", the same way that we can find an OPW1 SN 10375 and OPW2 SN 10375 for example.

So, to get back to this piece, once again the base is genuine, made at the KMD mint, but the engravings (both SN and N2) are fake.

Marc

RedBanner1920 · 09-28-2010, 08:00 AM

Numbered # 74,555 circa 1943 This was a actual combat award until the prestige of the red banner was deluded by long service. Comments are highly desirable!

EricFG · 09-28-2010, 08:49 AM

Nice! Not too much damage and it looks like it might be the original screwplate as well. Good score!

RedBanner1920 · 10-01-2010, 02:14 AM

If you can believe this i picked this up at a fleamarket for 26 dollars back in 2006!(when i bought this medal there was no 5 sided suspension so i took a ww2 victory medal and pliers and threw uncle joe in a junk lot and added a new ribbon and presto!)And i have only ever saw one other what do you guys make of this variant?
Order of the Red Banner, Type 3 Var 1 (Strekalov Type 4, Var 1), #97295, circa early to mid 1944 issue.
Silver gilt, enamels. Measures 36.8 mm in width, approx. 41 mm in height (from the bottom of the wreath to the top of the banner). This is a distinctively early Type 3 version with deeply "contoured" reverse. The tip of the plow is almost touching the flagpole. Remarkably, the mint mark is omitted: clearly a Mint mistake which can be explained by the kinks in manufacturing process after the recent change in design from the screw back (this piece is one of the first true suspension type Red Banners which came immediately after the "swallow tail" conversion issues). Small maker mark "8" to the reverse of the obverse.

EricFG · 10-01-2010, 07:07 AM

I could swear I see a mint mark on this item. ?

Lapa · 10-01-2010, 07:24 AM

RedBanner,

That is a nice one. However, a few things don't seem to make sense in your description:

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDBANNER1920

...Remarkably, the mint mark is omitted...

Can you please explain to me what that two-word stamp above the serial number and below the maker's mark is :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDBANNER1920

...And i have only ever saw one other what do you guys make of this variant?
Order of the Red Banner, Type 3 Var 1 (Strekalov Type 4, Var 1), #97295, circa early to mid 1944 issue...

These are not exactly as rare as you infer. They run roughly in the range 84000-100000. I have scans of quite a few in this interval.

Marc

Lapa · 10-01-2010, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricFG

I could swear I see a mint mark on this item. ?

Psssst, Eric, you do, don't worry, everything is fine with your eyesight :secret :D

Marc

RedBanner1920 · 10-01-2010, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Psssst, Eric, you do, don't worry, everything is fine with your eyesight :secret :D

Marc

Im sorry i copy and pasted a piece about a similar medal from a web page to try and describe it better . My mistake!

deValcourt · 10-02-2010, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDBANNER1920

I'm sorry i copy and pasted a piece about a similar medal from a web page to try and describe it better . My mistake!

Despite the nit-picking over the very specific details, it is still a wonderful award. Ones like that are far more unusual that most of the other types and variants we see.:thumbsup

Phillip

Esteban_cool · 10-02-2010, 02:34 AM

This is my favorite and long desired award. You got a very nice piece (and for that price!!! :eek:) Congratulations!

08-14-2010, 02:38 AM	#341
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Mystery "N2" Red Banner Phillip, Sounds like I may not have been clear enough, here ;) What I mean is that ORB #26399 was issued most likely during the first half of 1942, and that ORB2 #26399 was issued in the mid-1950's (by the way, it was of the oval type, not of the round one) - in other terms, we are dealing here with different "classes", the same way that we can find an OPW1 SN 10375 and OPW2 SN 10375 for example. So, to get back to this piece, once again the base is genuine, made at the KMD mint, but the engravings (both SN and N2) are fake. Marc

09-28-2010, 08:49 AM	#343
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: My first red banner screw back Nice! Not too much damage and it looks like it might be the original screwplate as well. Good score! __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

10-01-2010, 07:07 AM	#345
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Red banner rare variant I could swear I see a mint mark on this item. ? __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

10-02-2010, 02:34 AM	#350
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Re: Red banner rare variant This is my favorite and long desired award. You got a very nice piece (and for that price!!! :eek:) Congratulations! __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

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