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01-10-2009, 10:24 PM | #31 |
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Re: My Soviet Patch Collection 1947-92
Centaur32,
I have the same two patches, and both of mine are marked as well. I've never seen a fantasy patch marked in such a way. If these are fake, why bother stamping them at all when the average person wouldn't know what it means anyways? Pastfinder |
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01-11-2009, 01:31 AM | #32 |
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Re: My Soviet Patch Collection 1947-92
The "GO" patch is for Civil Defense. It makes absolutely no sense to have a green border guard civil defense patch.
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01-11-2009, 04:13 PM | #33 | |
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Thanks for your comment. Yes, I am well aware of what "ГО" represents. However, where is it written that anything that happened in the Soviet Union had to make sense? The facts are that these patches exist, they were manufactured exactly to the same standard as other "accepted-as-genuine" patches of the same era, and are BOEHTOPГ price stamped 72 kopeks. The other fact is that my "ГО" patch was purchased by an individual, at the factory, in bulk, in Russia, in 1989. What would make no sense would be to ignore, or discount these facts. You know the old saying,"If it looks like a duck, etc, etc, etc." What does it take to convince you skeptics that a particular Soviet is genuine? Even Alexey Stepanov admits that there were patches produced and in use that were not backed by official orders. Unfortunately, Soviet patches are not as well documented as, say, Soviet Orders, Decorations, and Medals. So, Soviet patch collecting is not as cut-and-dried as other Soviet hobbies. Why is it that, apparently, the majority of forum members will accept a "Dembel" patch as genuine, seemingly without question or reservation, but other patches, such as the Air Assault Troops (VDV) patch, are immediately labeled as either fakes or fantasy pieces? Interesting.....No? This is especially interesting when One considers that some "Dembel" patches would be relatively easily faked. Best regards, Jim Last edited by centaur32; 01-11-2009 at 04:28 PM. Reason: Incorrect grammer |
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01-11-2009, 04:26 PM | #34 | |
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I trust that you won't mind if I offer some information in response to your questions to Alex. I have it on very credible authority that the "CCCP" patches' are, indeed, genuine and their designations are as follows. "CCCP" on Red: Border Troops "CCCP" on Cornflower Blue: KGB Security Troops "CCCP" on Green: KGB Border Guards Best regards, Jim |
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01-11-2009, 05:17 PM | #35 | |
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I'd like to give you answers to some questions now... 1) Details of all new-made Soviet patches (hammer, sickle, star etc.) are very accurate. Details of hammer, sickle, star at yours VDV on Green are so high accurate made. 2) "ГО" is Civil Defense (as it was told by desantnik), so any colored patches (like "ГО" at green, deep blue, maroon - for "Border Guards", "KGB", "MVD") are impossible! 3) About "СССР" patches I'd like to answer later. 4) "The CD, Medical and Rescue patches exist on red, black, and Maroon. /.../ The Medical patch on a magenta/brown/maroon (take your pick) was seen in 1975 and mine is thermal moulded latex on a felt-like base fabric with a khaki cloth backing". I'd liko to answer to this post later too. 5) Did you mean under "thermal moulded latex" fabric production? |
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Right, that being said, I can't see how questioning the genuineness of dembel items brings more credibility to your position. Quote:
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01-11-2009, 05:19 PM | #37 |
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01-11-2009, 05:36 PM | #38 | |
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I have not information that somebody has found any orders (of Soviet MoD or other departments) describing "CCCP" patches. So now it's impossible to give any reasonable answer to question "What were CCCP patches for?" I have only one argument about reality of "CCCP" patch at red. This argument is that I got "CCCP" patch at red for my collection from old Soviet military warehouse. I'll post comparative photo of that patch later. But note that there are a lot of new-made "CCCP" patches at red! I suppose that these patches ("CCCP" at red) can be experimental military patches 1980-90th or patches for Soviet troops for international military duties or perhaps variant for patriotic organisations for soviet young people... Last edited by russiamilitaria; 01-11-2009 at 05:52 PM. |
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01-11-2009, 05:42 PM | #39 | |
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Jim, Yes, I know the branch colors, though red is not Border Troops...Border Troops and Border Guards are the same, and both would be green. However, these were not the patches for these forces as I know them...these would have to be some sort of special troops in the KGB, The Border Troops, or Soviet Army that would need a 'CCCP' instead of a standard patch..so, that again brings me back to my original question...what troops in these organizations would have needed special 'CCCP' patches? It's tough to judge if something is real or not without even knowing what the item is supposed to be for. If we are speaking of Border Troops for example, and the first patch is standard, then what would be the function ( i.e. who would need) the second patch? Last edited by DougD; 01-11-2009 at 06:01 PM. |
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01-11-2009, 05:45 PM | #40 | |
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By the way does anybody know about uniform for "ГО" patches? :) Last edited by russiamilitaria; 01-11-2009 at 06:39 PM. |
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