Faked & Fantasy ribbon bars (Fruit salad) - Page 4

Tal Inbar · 04-19-2003, 03:39 PM

It's the medal for Construction of the Baikul-Amur Railroad.

see:

http://www.soviet-awards.addr.com/medals5.htm#medal19

Tal

Christophe · 04-19-2003, 03:40 PM

Vikingraider,

It seems to be the ribbon of the Medal for Construction of the Baikal-Amur Railroad.

Very nice set indeed !
;)

Ch.

Tal Inbar · 04-19-2003, 03:41 PM

BTW, I am sure that this "fruit salad" is totaly made up, and wasn't a real one.

Tal

Christophe · 04-19-2003, 03:42 PM

Tal,

You're definitely the best (faster than light !!).

Ch.

:( ;)

vikingraider1 · 04-19-2003, 03:44 PM

What makes you say that Tal? It shows signs of wear and this dealer is from Moscow and pretty reputable too. Always tells me if he is not sure of the authenticity of an item.

Tal Inbar · 04-19-2003, 04:06 PM

1. Too "good looking" - Quite a collection, including a cavalier of
Order for Service to the Motherland in the Armed Forces of the
USSR etc. Too little WW2 medals, unlikely combination of BAM
medal, Order of the badge of honor (mainly CIVILIAN order),
Order of personal courage (same "problem") etc.

2. Irreproachable Service in the Armed Forces of the USSR medals
were introduced in 1958. Even if the veteran was drafted in
1945, he shuold not got the medal for 10 years of for
Irreproachable Service, only the 15 years and 20.

3. Medals for Distinguished Military Service - Higly UNLIKELY (to
be polite...) that a cavalier of Order for Service to the
Motherland in the Armed Forces of the USSR will have those
medals, which were given to LOW RANKS.

Should I continue?

Tal

vikingraider1 · 04-19-2003, 07:33 PM

Firstly..my 100th post... :)

Ok Tal,

From what the dealer told me, the Order of the Badge of Honour was problably won from when military units were employed on famers, etc to reap harvests and so forth.
They would have been awarded civilian orders even though they were military personel. I have seen many construction officers and engineers, road construction troops etc. awarded this medal for their work in civilian fields....

Quote:

Medals for Distinguished Military Service - Higly UNLIKELY (to

the others you may have a point......:confused:

Tal Inbar · 04-19-2003, 07:40 PM

Believe in what you want....

I DIDN'T say that the order of the badge of honour is NOT bestowed on military perssonel. I said that the COMBINATION you got is unrealistic.

Also, I would think that one ribbon is missing - The order of Lenin...don't you think a military service of at least 43 years (If, for the sake of argument he was 18 at 1945, and remember that the Order for Personal Courage was Established 28 December 1988) will give you an order of Lenin?

Tal

vikingraider1 · 04-19-2003, 08:01 PM

Alright Tal, calm down mate, don't get lary! :(

The fact that there is no Order of Lenin does make it suspicious and I did question this but apperently the dealer said that this was taken from an actual uniform. As I have said before, I trust this dealer as he is not some desparado trying to make a quick pound. If you think it is a fake then I respect your opinon and to tell you the truth, the abscence of an Order of Lenin does make it a bit sus. The fact is, this bloke who sold it to me is a prtty genuine bloke so I trust him, maybe this is his first mistake...who knows...?

Nota Bene · 04-20-2003, 05:59 PM

Vikingraider1,

I will have to agree with Tal. I can even accept a Badge of Honor and BAM, but not a missing Lenin and Red Banner "2" in such a combination. The trouble with those sets is that when they are made according to regulations it's very to tell if they are genuine unless they have some wear. The only thing you can do is to use logic.

Alexei

04-19-2003, 03:39 PM	#31
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	It's the medal for Construction of the Baikul-Amur Railroad. see: http://www.soviet-awards.addr.com/medals5.htm#medal19 Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism!

04-19-2003, 03:40 PM	#32
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Baikal-Amur Railroad Vikingraider, It seems to be the ribbon of the Medal for Construction of the Baikal-Amur Railroad. Very nice set indeed ! ;) Ch.

04-19-2003, 03:41 PM	#33
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	BTW, I am sure that this "fruit salad" is totaly made up, and wasn't a real one. Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism!

04-19-2003, 03:42 PM	#34
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Arrrgh !!! Tal, You're definitely the best (faster than light !!). Ch. :( ;)

04-19-2003, 04:06 PM	#36
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Why this fruit salad is fantasy? 1. Too "good looking" - Quite a collection, including a cavalier of Order for Service to the Motherland in the Armed Forces of the USSR etc. Too little WW2 medals, unlikely combination of BAM medal, Order of the badge of honor (mainly CIVILIAN order), Order of personal courage (same "problem") etc. 2. Irreproachable Service in the Armed Forces of the USSR medals were introduced in 1958. Even if the veteran was drafted in 1945, he shuold not got the medal for 10 years of for Irreproachable Service, only the 15 years and 20. 3. Medals for Distinguished Military Service - Higly UNLIKELY (to be polite...) that a cavalier of Order for Service to the Motherland in the Armed Forces of the USSR will have those medals, which were given to LOW RANKS. Should I continue? Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism! Last edited by Tal Inbar; 04-19-2003 at 04:12 PM.

04-19-2003, 03:44 PM	#35
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	What makes you say that Tal? It shows signs of wear and this dealer is from Moscow and pretty reputable too. Always tells me if he is not sure of the authenticity of an item.

04-19-2003, 07:40 PM	#38
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Believe in what you want.... I DIDN'T say that the order of the badge of honour is NOT bestowed on military perssonel. I said that the COMBINATION you got is unrealistic. Also, I would think that one ribbon is missing - The order of Lenin...don't you think a military service of at least 43 years (If, for the sake of argument he was 18 at 1945, and remember that the Order for Personal Courage was Established 28 December 1988) will give you an order of Lenin? Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism! Last edited by Tal Inbar; 04-19-2003 at 07:44 PM.

04-19-2003, 08:01 PM	#39
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	Alright Tal, calm down mate, don't get lary! :( The fact that there is no Order of Lenin does make it suspicious and I did question this but apperently the dealer said that this was taken from an actual uniform. As I have said before, I trust this dealer as he is not some desparado trying to make a quick pound. If you think it is a fake then I respect your opinon and to tell you the truth, the abscence of an Order of Lenin does make it a bit sus. The fact is, this bloke who sold it to me is a prtty genuine bloke so I trust him, maybe this is his first mistake...who knows...?

04-20-2003, 05:59 PM	#40
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Vikingraider1, I will have to agree with Tal. I can even accept a Badge of Honor and BAM, but not a missing Lenin and Red Banner "2" in such a combination. The trouble with those sets is that when they are made according to regulations it's very to tell if they are genuine unless they have some wear. The only thing you can do is to use logic. Alexei

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