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Lapa · 11-02-2012, 02:13 PM

Paul,

It is a very strange bird with a very late number engraved on an earlier-made order, without accounting for the fact that the 56xxxx range was assigned to the Leningrad Mint, whereas this order was manufactured by the Moscow Mint. All in all, many ???

Marc

***CtahhR*** · 11-02-2012, 02:17 PM

Could be the engraver made an error that went unchecked? - Likely
Could have got "displaced" between minting and numbering for a substantial period? - Not very likely.

Other options?

RedMaestro2 · 11-02-2012, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CtahhR

Could be the engraver made an error that went unchecked? - Likely
Could have got "displaced" between minting and numbering for a substantial period? - Not very likely.

Other options?

CtahhR, How are you judging the likeliness of these options?

Marc, what variation is the order and what variation does the serial number correspond to? Each seems authentic, no?

***CtahhR*** · 11-02-2012, 05:52 PM

We have seen many examples of engraver error but how often do you hear of the batch "falling behind the fridge" unnumbered only to be numbered later? Not too often.

I have many numbering error pieces in the collection from various countries but I can't recall if I have an early pieces with a later number.

I also believe a slight deviation in dialects of English may be at work.

A Yorkshireman is talking here.....

PaulR · 11-02-2012, 06:40 PM

I would not think it too possible that a batch of these could have been misplaced. Silver is a precious metal and I would bet that they were accounted for, on a shift to shift basis.

Do I still need to make a close up or are the photos posted good enough?

RedMaestro2 · 11-02-2012, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulR

I would not think it too possible that a batch of these could have been misplaced. Silver is a precious metal and I would bet that they were accounted for, on a shift to shift basis.

Do I still need to make a close up or are the photos posted good enough?

While I don't have any examples off-hand, I do think I remember seeing instances of earlier awards used as re-issues. I bet Marc has an answer though :thumbsup

I think even more detailed images would help, thanks!

Lapa · 11-03-2012, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedMaestro2

...Marc, what variation is the order and what variation does the serial number correspond to? Each seems authentic, no?

Alex,

The base order is a T4 V2 (flat back, small flame) manufactured by the Moscow Mint in 1951/2.
The serial number corresponds to a T4 V4 manufactured by the Leningrad Mint in 1957.

Marc

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulR

...Do I still need to make a close up or are the photos posted good enough?

Paul,

If you want a more definite answer, I tend to think so...

Marc

PaulR · 11-03-2012, 09:24 PM

Here we go... :thumbsup

Lapa · 11-04-2012, 04:48 AM

Paul,

Can you please take one more picture, turning the order 90 degrees.

Marc

PaulR · 11-04-2012, 09:58 AM

Of the edge, or like this?

Here is another, of the same photo, but more of the medal

11-02-2012, 02:13 PM	#411
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Very high Serial Numbered ORB Paul, It is a very strange bird with a very late number engraved on an earlier-made order, without accounting for the fact that the 56xxxx range was assigned to the Leningrad Mint, whereas this order was manufactured by the Moscow Mint. All in all, many ??? Marc

11-02-2012, 02:17 PM	#412
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: Red Banner. Could be the engraver made an error that went unchecked? - Likely Could have got "displaced" between minting and numbering for a substantial period? - Not very likely. Other options? __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

11-02-2012, 05:52 PM	#414
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	We have seen many examples of engraver error but how often do you hear of the batch "falling behind the fridge" unnumbered only to be numbered later? Not too often. I have many numbering error pieces in the collection from various countries but I can't recall if I have an early pieces with a later number. I also believe a slight deviation in dialects of English may be at work. A Yorkshireman is talking here..... __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

11-02-2012, 06:40 PM	#415
PaulR Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Age: 52 Posts: 405	Re: Red Banner. I would not think it too possible that a batch of these could have been misplaced. Silver is a precious metal and I would bet that they were accounted for, on a shift to shift basis. Do I still need to make a close up or are the photos posted good enough?

11-04-2012, 04:48 AM	#419
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Red Banner. Paul, Can you please take one more picture, turning the order 90 degrees. Marc

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