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11-09-2002, 12:50 PM | #41 |
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Thanks NotaBene and McLenin,
I must admit that I find this a bit confusing... I already looked at McLenin's list and from this one I also understood that my order was late 1943 to february 1944. But if one look carefully at the list, he will see that there are some inconsistencies or something strange in the dates order. 290888 12/10/43 328207 04/11/43 376895 20/10/43 679420 23/02/44 708952 05/08/43 712063 08/06/44 803642 10/02/44 830760 27/10/44 Look at dates in bold characters. Why the dates are not following each other in a sequential order regarding to the serial numbers? If this is normal, could you explain me what it mean? The only explanation I can se is that the orders were spread among the many parts of soviet unions and each region were giving orders according to their own batch of orders and this may explain that an order with a high number could be given in one region before that another region give an order with a smaller number.... in that case, it woul become almost impossible to guess the date by the serial number. Please someone enlight me!!! Last edited by matteti; 11-09-2002 at 12:52 PM. |
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11-09-2002, 04:19 PM | #42 |
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Hi matteti
I think your explanation is more or less correct. It depended where the award was given but I have never got round to cross referencing the serial numbers with the location (Front) of the awardee, and my list is probably too small to get meaningful data but people on this list have talked about collating all our research to look for patterns. But for now the only way to confim the award date is to get it researched. Sometimes there are really strange numer/date combinations. Red Star 3,001,481 dates to mid-1951 and 3,007,835 dates to early-1945. But you can be asured that all the numbers on my list are correct :) McL |
02-20-2003, 11:55 PM | #43 |
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Recently purchased two Red Stars on Ebay. Was curious if they are both Fakes, Legit, etc. Very obvious differences in mint marks, position of said marks, obverse details, etc. Have found Soviet orders and medals to be fascinating and would appreciate any help in this matter
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02-20-2003, 11:57 PM | #44 |
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This is The Obvserse of serial # 3186673..note the size and location of the mint mark
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02-21-2003, 12:11 AM | #45 |
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Two red Stars
Hello and welcome,
Actually there are three types and a number of variations of the Order of the Red Star. This is also the case with most Soviet Orders. It probably would be best if you purchased Paul McDaniel's "The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Orders and Medals" You might find the book on ebay for $75.00 or so. It will explain the differences and types of most of the Soviet medals and orders. Actually this book is the reference by which most Soviet medals are compared. In addition, the members of this forum are extremely knowledgeable and will gladly answer additional questions. I wish you the best! Alanirvine |
02-21-2003, 03:31 AM | #46 |
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Also all the soviet medal and order variations are listed on this website along with pictures.
But it does not compare to having McDaniel's book. Mark |
02-21-2003, 07:16 AM | #47 |
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The red star alone is not very faked coz it is the most common soviet order. It can be faked, with s/n erased, to integrate them into groups, or to copy very first exemplars of before 1941.
Yours seem pretty correct! sebastien
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02-21-2003, 02:10 PM | #48 |
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getting started
When I started collecting -- more years ago than I like to recall, my OMSA number is 1299 -- I got some very good advice from the then senior collectors, most of whom are no longer with us:
1- Set aside 80% of your collecting budget the first year for books. Emphasize building a strong reference library. Reduce this percentage by 5% per year, but never allow it to fall below 20%. 2- Pass on the comon items. They will always be around. It is better to buy one gem, the like of which you may never see again, than to buy 20 common medals that will always be around. 3- But items based on their research interest, not for any anticipated appreciation in value. This is not stock market investment, this is medal collecting. Explain your medal collecting to your wife and insurtance agent by quoting collection values, but it has no other use. 4- You will buy some fakes (and this way back when they weren't as common as now). Expect it. And then keep them out where you can see them, to remind you. (Have one hanging over my desk right now.) Good rules. They have only one problem, the use of the fantastic word "budget"! ;) Ed Haynes |
02-21-2003, 08:18 PM | #49 |
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Thank You
Please excuse the rookie..after posting I did exactly as was suggested, short of buying McDaniel's book....found several good links and references. Appreciate the advice and expertise offered both here and elsewhere on the 'Net. Thank You again...
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03-19-2003, 04:47 PM | #50 |
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What's with my Screw-Post
I just got my lowest S/N (254266) Red Star.
I was under the impression that all Red Stars have a common Screw-Posts? This particular order's post is a little smaller and the screw-plates seem to slip down the post... I looked closely at the base and everything is original... Any thoughts? Thanks, Rusty.
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