Please Vote on Rearrangement of Soviet Bloc section!

[CtahhR]

Section 1
Republics Of The Soviet Union

Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic
Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic
Bukharan People's Soviet Republic
Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic
Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic
Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic
Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic
Khorezm People's Soviet Republic
Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic
Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic
Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic
Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic
Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
-Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republics
Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic
Transcaucasian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic
Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic

Section 2
Post Soviet States

Republic Of Abkhazia
Republic Of Armenia
Republic Of Azerbaijan
Republic Of Belarus
Republic Of Estonia
Republic Of Georgia
Republic Of Kazakhstan
Kyrgyz Republic
Republic Of Latvia
Republic Of Lithuania
Republic Of Moldova
Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic
-Orders
-Medals
-Badges
Russian Federation
-Federal Orders
--Federal Medals
-Ministerial Medals
--Ministry Of Defence
--Ministry Of Internal Affairs
--Federal Security Service
--EMERCOM
-"Umalatova" Awards
-Unofficial Awards
-Badges
Republic Of Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
-Orders
-Medals
Republic Of Uzbekistan

Section 3
Soviet Sphere

Democratic Republic Of Afghanistan
-Afghan Award Groups
-Afghan Titles
-Afghan Orders
-Afghan Medals
-Afghan Badges
-Afghan Paper Items
People's Socialist Republic Of Albania
-Albanian Award Groups
-Albanian Titles
-Albanian Orders
-Albanian Medals
-Albanian Badges
People's Republic Of Angola
People's Republic Of Benin
People's Republic Of Bulgaria
-Bulgarian Award Groups
-Bulgarian Titles
-Bulgarian Orders
-Bulgarian Medals
-Bulgarian Badges
-Bulgarian Paper Items
-Bulgarian Uniforms
Socialist Republic Of The Union Of Burma
People's Republic Of China
-Chinese Award Groups
-Chinese Orders
-Chinese Medals
-Chinese Badges
-Chinese Paper Items
-Chinese Uniforms
Republic Of Cuba
-Cuban Titles
-Cuban Orders
-Cuban Medals
-Cuban Distinctions
-Cuban Badges
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic
-Czechoslovakian Award Groups
-Czechoslovakian Titles
-Czechoslovakian Orders
-Czechoslovakian Medals
-Czechoslovakian Badges
-Czechoslovakian Uniforms
-Czechoslovakian Paper Items
People's Democratic Republic Of Ethiopia
German Democratic Republic
-German Award Groups
-German Titles
-German Orders
-German Medals
-German Badges
-German Paper Items
-German Uniforms
People's Republic Of Hungary
-Hungarian Award Groups
-Hungarian Titles
-Hungarian Orders
-Hungarian Medals
-Hungarian Badges
-Hungarian Uniforms
Republic Of Iraq
-Iraqi Orders
-Iraqi Medals
-Iraqi Badges
Democratic Kampuchea
Democratic People's Republic Of Korea
-Korean Titles
-Korean Orders
-Korean Medals
-Korean Badges
-Korean Uniforms
Lao People's Democratic Republic
Mongolian People's Republic
-Mongolian Award Groups
-Mongolian Titles
-Mongolian Orders
-Mongolian Medals
-Mongolian Badges
-Mongolian Paper Items
-Mongolian Uniforms
People's Republic Of Poland
-Polish Award Groups
-Polish Orders
-Polish Medals
-Polish Badges
-Polish Paper Items
-Polish Uniforms
Socialist Republic Of Romania
-Romanian Award Groups
-Romanian Titles
-Romanian Orders
-Romanian Medals
-Romanian Badges
-Romanian Uniforms
-Romanian Paper Items
Spanish Republic
Tuvan People's Republic
Socialist Republic Of Vietnam
-Vietnamese Award Groups
-Vietnamese Titles
-Vietnamese Orders
-Vietnamese Medals
-Vietnamese Decorations
-Vietnamese Badges
People's Democratic Republic Of Yemen
-Yemeni Orders
-Yemeni Medals
-Yemeni Badges
Socialist Federal Republic Of Yugoslavia
-Yugoslavian Award Groups
-Yugoslavian Titles
-Yugoslavian Orders
-Yugoslavian Medals
-Yugoslavian Badges
-Yugoslavian Uniforms
Awards And Decorations Of Socialist Parties Of Non-Communist Nations
(A list of applicable Parties will be supplied in-thread)

Section 4
Imperial Russian Sphere And Resulting Nations.

Democratic Republic Of Armenia 1918-1921
Azerbaijan Democratic Republic 1918-1920
Belarusian People's Republic 1918-1919
Principality/Kingdom Of Bulgaria 1878-1944
-Bulgarian Orders
-Bulgarian Medals
-Bulgarian Badges
Republic Of Estonia 1918-1940
Democratic Republic Of Georgia 1918-1921
Republic Of Latvia 1918-1940
Republic Of Lithuania 1918-1940
Mongolia 1921-1924
Republic Of Poland 1918-1939
-Polish Orders
-Polish Medals
-Polish Badges
Russian Empire
-Russian Orders
-Russian Medals
-Russian Badges
-Russian Uniforms
White Russia 1917-
Ukrainian People's Republic 1918-1921

Section 5
Post-Communist Nations

Republic Of Albania
-Albanian Orders
-Albanian Medals
-Albanian Badges
Bosnia And Herzegovina
Republic Of Bulgaria
-Bulgarian Orders
-Bulgarian Medals
-Bulgarian Badges
Republic Of Croatia
Czech Republic
Republic Of Hungary
Republic Of Macedonia
Mongolia
-Mongolian Orders
-Mongolian Medals
-Mongolian Badges
Montenegro
Republic Of Poland
-Polish Orders
-Polish Medals
-Polish Badges
Republic Of Romania
Republic Of Serbia
Slovak Republic
Republic Of Slovenia


If there are any official decrees or documents incorporating any of the mentioned People's Republics in "Sphere" into the Soviet Union (or an SSR) they can then go into the "Soviet Republics" section. This is to separate between what is and what is not "Soviet Union" which is the main focus of the forum. Tuva for example was incorporated into the RSFSR on 1st November 1944 but their Order was instituted well before then when it was a separate satellite state.

There will be clearly defining outlines in most threads explaining what is going on that will be clear for all to understand. Civil war and competing for international recognition during the Great War and following Civil War can cloud some areas but that is the nature of history.

Seeing this "on paper" is a different beast to seeing it "in action".

As I also keep stating this will be flexible and if it doesn't work it can and will be changed - or of course revert to how it was.

[medals73]

This is getting alltogether out of control. I am tempted to go back and change my vote on altering anything in this section.

Or just make the forum "Soviet only".

I note that my earlier comments were ignored.

[Auke]

Why so many sections for only a handful of posts each month? It's already a chaos as it is. Most forums expand the number of sections when the quantity of posts makes it useful, but that's definitely not the case here. I'd say remove them all and keep just one subforum for everything non-Soviet.

[Lapa]

Right, since apparently there is a need to dot all the "i", let's take one example concrete example. From memory, Tuva became a part of the RSFSR and the USSR on September 8, 1944.

How do you intend to deal with the following Tuvan awards (effectively, that happens to be all of them)?
. Order of the Republic: last awarded to Khurak-Ool Shalik by Ukaz of the Presidium of the Small Khural of the TAR dated September 26, 1944
. Order of Labor: last awarded to Adyg Salchak and Anay-Ool Donchak by Ukaz of the Presidium of the Small Khural of the TAR dated September 26, 1944
. Medal for Military Excellence: created on June 23, 1944 by Ukaz of the Presidium of the Small Khural of the TAR, and awarded mostly after joining the "Big Brother" (see pics below, especially of the Award document).

Marc

[CtahhR]

Such trans-period awards can be judged on an item by item basis. Many nations continued awarded the same piece of metal during different administrations. If an award is undocumented it can be seen as an item of the administration that founded it. When an award is documented the awarding body of the award is taken into consideration. Some awards go unchanged in appearance over three administrations. The subforum guidelines politely ask that each award is to be placed in its very own post so misplaced threads can easily be moved to the correct place.

This covers a great deal of nations that went through a transitional period a number too long to list here but as stated before introductory threads to each nation will clear everything up.
Any inaccuracies or omissions from the introductory threads can be reported so the introduction can be corrected.

Remember any Order, Medal, Badge or any other decoration is just a piece of metal (artistic as it may be) until it is awarded and it is of utmost importance as to which body awarded the decoration.

Umalatova awarded Hero Star stolen from the state mint anyone?

[Lapa]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

...Many nations continued awarded the same piece of metal during different administrations. If an award is undocumented it can be seen as an item of the administration that founded it. When an award is documented the awarding body of the award is taken into consideration. Some awards go unchanged in appearance over three administrations...

That is exactly Ed's and my point. The very same body (usually, in the case that is of interest to us, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of whatever entity) awarded its awards from the time they got to power in their State (basically from 1918 onward) until they stopped awarding these awards.

The approach you are proposing has some merit, but in our case, it will end up being very counterproductive: we are going to find the very same awards in radically different parts of the Forum. Not the best way to keep a tidy and user-friendly environment IMHO.

Marc

[CtahhR]

Like I've said before, watch it in action and if it doesn't work then there will be reform.

I do keep saying that this is flexible. The subforums will be highly interwoven as is the nature of this beast but they will ALL be covered within the sphere of this forum.

See it as a library, All the books are here, just not all on the same shelf - because if they were it would break. Follow the Dewey decimal code and you'll find what you need. If you don't, ask a librarian and if we don't have it, you can always add it to the selection yourself. The only difference is don't Shhh!

Insert random David Bowie quote here.

[medals73]

Honestly, it is easier not to break (or over-break) things in the first place than to break them and then try to repair them. And you do need a firm grasp on your historical understanding before you start doing some of these arbitrary things.

Please don't be a bull in the history shop.

[CtahhR]

You've got the right man for the job then.....!!!

[medals73]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

You've got the right man for the job then.....!!!

Hands off Mongolia, then!