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Old 01-13-2008, 05:15 PM   #71
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Krzysztof,

I think that this is a professionally done replacement. The RS is most likely also a replacement.

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Old 04-19-2008, 06:19 PM   #72
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Red Banner Labour

I was monkeying around with some of the orders on my uniforms and noticed that the ORBL seemed excessively large compared to its BH and ORB neighbors on that particular parade mount (or any other ORBL I owned). A bit of reading on the site and I find that I have a "jumbo" (long oval) variation. How much bigger? No mere optical illusion when you put it side by side with a newer one. Noteworthy is how much more of the dam you can see. I thought those that hadn't seen this might be amused.
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:18 PM   #73
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Re: Order of the Red Banner of Labor Type 6 variations discussion

I know the picture is bad but can anybody tell me if these big numbers on the back of the order are common?
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:56 PM   #74
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Re: Order of the Red Banner of Labor Type 6 variations discussion

Many of these have passed in front of my eyes in the past two years with rarely a noted problem, but I've never seen the engraving look this rough or sloppy. Maybe it's just the photo, but it seems off and out of pattern. Maybe someone else has seen something like this in that range?
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Old 07-12-2008, 03:56 PM   #75
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Re: Order of the Red Banner of Labor Type 6 variations discussion

Based on this picture I can't say anything about this particular piece, but this is not an unusual engraving style.

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Old 07-18-2008, 10:38 AM   #76
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Re: Order of the Red Banner of Labor Type 6 variations discussion

Matthijs,

In Russian, it is referred to as "Childish Handwriting". It is found in the low 600000's.

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Old 07-26-2008, 09:13 AM   #77
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Re: Order of the Red Banner of Labor Type 6 variations discussion

I've got to say something here regarding gold, silver and gold plated silver (a couple of posts ago). Now, I may not have as many years under my belt as a collector as some, but, at 22 years old, I was a journeyman metal finisher with AMF Incorporated and I do know something about that.

Gold, if in a respectable level of alloy, say 9K or above, will always appear as gold no matter how much it is handled or how many years pass. It does not tarnish. Silver, on the other hand, will tarnish fairly quickly whether it is handled or not. When silver is gold plated, it will generally appear gold for a time but, as the piece is handled and exposed to the elements, gaps occur in the plating which will allow the silver tarnish to overtake the gold plating. This can be slowed significantly if the item is stored properly and handled less.

I have an '85 issue 1st Class OPGW in my collection that really shows this well- the only way left to tell it's a 1st Class is to look at the back side (less exposed in the case). There you can see the gold plating.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:51 AM   #78
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Red Banner Labor Serial Numbers/Minting Facility List

I am looking for a list which mint / factory produced which serial number range of the Red Banner of Labor.
Any reference online?

best regards and thanks
Andreas

Red Banner of Labor:

10.525 - 11.685 - Krasnokamsk Mint
423.051 - 425.999 - Leningrad Mint
? 547.572 ? - Russian Gemstones Factory (cone-shaped rivets)
643.901 - 693.900 - Russian Gemstones Factory (cone-shaped rivets)
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Old 06-20-2010, 04:22 PM   #79
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Re: Fake Orders of the Red Banner of Labor

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I am looking for a list which mint / factory produced which serial number range of the Red Banner of Labor...
Andreas,

Here you go; sorry, it is in Russian, but I think it is easily intelligible.

Marc


1941 or 42 КМД 10 512 - 15 000
1942 ММД 15 001 - 15 949
??? ???
1943 ? КМД 21 401 - 26 620
1944 ЛМД 26 621 - 30 120
1944 КМД 30 121 - 36 260
27.02.1945 КМД 36 261 - 38 000
24.03.1945 КМД 38 001 - 40 000
19.06.1945 КМД 40 001 - 42 000
18.09.1945 КМД 42 001 - 49 800
01.07.1947 ЛМД 49 800 - 60 000
20.10.1947 ЛМД 60 001 - 72 000
02.02.1948 ЛМД 72 001 - 80 000
??.05.1948 ЛМД 80 001 - 81 800
20.05.1948 ЛМД 81 801 - 85 000
23.06.1948 ЛМД 85 001 - 95 000
27.08.1948 ЛМД 95 001 - 110 000
18.12.1948 ЛМД 110 001 - 130 000
08.08.1949 ЛМД 130 001 - 139 000
04.10.1949 ЛМД 139 001 - 147 000
21.01.1950 ЛМД 147 001 - 172 000
27.10.1950 ЛМД 172 001 - 184 000
20.12.1950 ЛМД 184 001 - 200 000
19.04.1951 ЛМД 200 000(!) - 250 000
??? ??? 250 001 - 302 801
1954 ЛМД 302 801 - 332 800
1955 ЛМД 332 801 - 341 750 (+ 100 unnumbered pieces)
1956 ЛМД 341 751 - 359 650 (+ 100 unnumbered pieces)
1957 ЛМД 359 651 - 405 550
1959 ЛМД 405 551 - 420 050
1966 ММД 420 051 - 423 050
1966 ЛМД 423 051 - 425 999
1966 МЮФ 426 000 - 445 999
1966 ММД 446 000 - 455 999
1966 БЮФ 456 000 - 467 009
1966 ??? 467 010 - 468 147
1966 ММД 468 148 - 472 147
1967 ММД 472 148 - 472 247
1970 ЛЕНЭМАЛЬЕР 472 248 - 475 999
before 03.1966 ЛЮФ 476 000 - 520 999
1966 ММД 0506 000 - 0513 299
1966 ЛМД 521 000 - 536 750
???? ?????? 536 751 - 546 650
12.70-03.71 Русские Самоцветы 546 651 - 587 650
12.70-03.71 ЛЕНЭМАЛЬЕР 587 651 - 593 898
1971 ЛМД 593 899 - 593 900
12.70-03.71 ЛЮФ 593 901 - 643 900
12.70-03.71 Русские Самоцветы 643 901 - 693 900
12.70-03.71 ЛЕНЭМАЛЬЕР 693 901 - 718 900
12.70-03.71 Русские Самоцветы 718 901 - 719 600
1971 ЛМД 719 601 - 724 609
1972 ММД 724 610 - 763 609
1973 ММД 763 610 - 943 609
1974 ЛМД 943 610 - 1 047 409 (+ 200 unnumbered pieces)
1975 ММД 1 047 410 - 1 087 409
1976 ММД 1 087 410 - 1 247 409
1980 ММД 1 247 410 - 1 255 809
1981 ММД 1 255 810 - 1 259 309
1982 ММД 1 259 310 - 1 261 309
1984 ММД 1 261 310 - 1 263 309
1986 ММД 1 263 310 - 1 263 819
1986 ЛМД 1 263 820 - 1 273 309
1987 ЛМД 1 273 310 - 1 283 559
1988 ММД 1 283 560 - 1 292 559
1989 ЛМД (+ 200 unnumbered pieces)

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Old 06-20-2010, 11:46 PM   #80
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Re: Red Banner Labor Serial Numbers/Minting Facility List

Thanks Marc,

that are more producer as I thought.

best regards
Andreas

ЛМД - Leningrad Mint
ММД - Moscow Mint
КМД - Krasnokamsk Mint
Русские Самоцветы - Russian Gemstones Factory
ЛЕНЭМАЛЬЕР - Leningrad Enemal Factory
МЮФ - Moscow Jewelery Factory
ЛЮФ - Leningrad Jewelery Factory
БЮФ - ??

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