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Old 08-20-2007, 09:52 AM   #11
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Kutsenko's small book (Kokardi) on cap devices dates this cap badge as being introduced in 1932. It seems to go until about 1940 when there was a change in construction, though the end use date is just a guess. My guess is it was probably used from 1932 through the early 1940's.

Can you post the photo of the cap badge in wear?

It would be odd for such a cap still to be used in the 1950's, but it is possible that the pilot using it in the 1950's wanted to show he was an early Aeroflot vet and still used this older cap as he liked it better. The cap itself, as i stated above, is clearly 1930's so either the photo was mis-captioned or the pilot was using on old vet cap.

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Old 08-20-2007, 06:02 PM   #12
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It is quite attractive; I'm with Doug on that.

1950s? I think not...

However, I can't seem to understand the pattern identity of the cap itself with it's unpiped crown and band. Also, the visor is (or seems to be) constructed of the same material as the cap's body, with a stiffener. It could very well be a "run-of-the-mill" civilian type of cap with insignia and a chinstrap simply applied. I'm sure that in those times such a practice was indeed the case in more than a few instances.

Then again, this early Civil Aviation stuff IS quite interesting, but little to no English language info seems to exist, and I have made little to no attempt to research it.

I'll ask around though, and if any clues surface, I'll be sure and post them ASAP.

Doug asked for photos, and this is the only one I have, pre-war. It is dated 1941.

A close up of a cockarde:

My scanner was warmed up and my copy of the cockarde book was handy. I have scanned the page that concerns the period that we are discussing.

It would be very interesting to learn more about the rarely discussed subject of Civil Aviation uniforms.

Doug, if you do not mind, when you post the new images, kindly include a few detailed shots of the attributes which you see fit to be worthy of close observation. They would help considerably for research's sake.


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Old 08-20-2007, 07:51 PM   #13
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Ah, you just beat me! I was scanning the same page, but cut it up a bit. I'll post close up pics later this week i hope. I really would like to see how the cap badge is attached and the makers label itself.

There has to be a chart of Aeroflot rank and uniform from the 1930's and 1940's somewhere! For example, was there an Aeroflot General (i know they would not use that term) uniform in 1945? I know the head of Aeroflot had an air marshals rank in the red air force, but what about his 'generals'?

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Old 08-24-2007, 12:29 PM   #14
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Here are better photos of the 1930's Aeroflot cap:

>note the older cap side buttons, the soft, 'crusher' construction, the pre-43 Moscow makers mark. there is some water damage to the buttons and chin cords, but thats good to me in that it shows actual use.

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Old 08-28-2007, 12:10 PM   #15
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Guys,

Just a quick question on that one (not trying to copy Wendy's commercials): where's the wear? The lining is simply brand spanking new, same for the ink, as well as whatever else can be seen.

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Old 08-28-2007, 03:15 PM   #16
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Marc,

no, there is wear inside on the sweatband and some sweating on the lining itself. the stamp and lining are darker then my camera, using flash, shows.

The stamp does not look brand new, though still in good shape. the crusher form protected the top of the inside of the cap as it was not always hitting the top of the head. as i stated, there is a bit of a sweat 'halo' on the lining, but my camera bleaches it out.

New book out on Aeroflot (yes, I am generalizing here a bit with the title) uniforms...very well done!

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Another early example

Here is another example; I really do not think these followed any hard regulations early on. Sorry that the flash sort of bleached out the insignia.

Shows some wear inside, with moderate wear to the lining.

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Old 04-21-2009, 03:38 PM   #18
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Re: Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia

I combined and cleaned up three separate threads on Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia...post any and all Aeroflot uniform items here (we already have a good start!).

Here is one I had in a year or so ago; more or less an Aeroflot "General" dated 1980.

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I picked up this visor cap in Belgium this week-end.

It is what I believe to be an aeroflot flight captain visor cap.

It is very well constructed, everything is symmetrical and wellsewn. The visor cap is made of cardboard, with a rather matish black paint (while satinate on other cardboard visors), laurel branches are correctly and symmetrically fixed.
The surprise is the general-type leather sweatband. This is why I played the game by buying this thing. The liner is made of general satin too; the diamond sweatband is marked of the famous Moscow fabric, and is slightly used. All is correctly sewn with the same thread. Everything is irreproachable.
Second surprise, the 2 chincord butons, which are of the army type, no aeroflot type. They are made of 2-pieces of metal, 1970 dated.

It would be quite easy to find aeroflot buttons... but do you believe I found quite a neat kind of fake? Or this fabric is really genuine for a senior aeroflot officer?

many thanks by advance for yours opinions...

1981 dated.

everything denotes a 1980ies cap...
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Re: Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia

Wow, that is a fine prize! :D Very good construction.
I did not even know Aeroflot used their own buttons, I assumed they used army buttons, just like the Militia.
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