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Old 04-24-2002, 03:21 AM   #1
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Fake KGB and "Egg" Badges

I think those are the most frequently faked badges of all (and for just 24.00 for the set it's a bargain, ask the guy whoe sell them on ebay...):
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Old 04-24-2002, 05:14 PM   #2
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Wish I could chime in here Tal, but I don't think I've seen the originals to these..maybe someone else has?
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Old 04-24-2002, 09:17 PM   #3
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The quality is pretty bad, and the detail is low, just look at the numbers in the center! :mad:
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Old 05-30-2002, 05:14 PM   #4
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Fake 1927 OGPU Badge

A very detailed coined fake. Just couple of minor problems - they made a brass copy of a silver variation, that is smaller, but has larger detail. Still letters "OGPU' are huge even for the silver variation, and this fake has no traces of wear or patina, one would expect from a badge this old. Also the swords at the bottom are bent. And curiously, they never enemelled it.
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Old 06-06-2002, 06:10 PM   #5
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I know this ugly yellow background...He sells many fantasy badges and real ****y fakes:mad:
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Old 06-07-2002, 11:10 AM   #6
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Hi folks

I'm using this as an excuse to post some new badges that I have picked up.

Criminal Investigation circa 1924 and best OGPU Student 1923 (no 29).

I have not found this badge (OGPU Student) in any book...has anybody got any information on it.

I thinks it's ok..but it could be a fake...?

I do not believe all badges were documented and I feel only the really famous KGB badges are faked.

These badges are made of silver and are hallmarked....I can't see the commercial value in faking these but.....out to you....

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Old 06-07-2002, 11:21 AM   #7
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These are my early excellent workers badges GPU.

I admit the GPU legend on the bottom is a bit poor on the (V) but I think this is why they up graded it.. That is my opinion.....out to you

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Old 06-07-2002, 07:36 PM   #8
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Chris,

Thanks for the scans.

I can't really say anything about the OGPU Graduation Badge, I have never seen one before, but I do have my doubts - the patina doesn't look right, the hammer and sickle looks a little off center, and the hammer head appears a little disproportionate. I find it a little unusual that the tips of the star would cover the letters.

I am inclined to believe that the 1924 Criminal Police badge is a fake, same bad looking patina, especially on the shield at 6 o'clock, and I find it hard to believe that a badge this old would not have any significant traces of wear. This badge is extremely rare, and i have only seen one before, and it was quite beat with damaged enamel.

The 5th Anniversary of the OGPU badge is unlike anything I have ever seen before: sword handle is unusual, sword tip is too short, hammer and sickle is too wide, shaky and raised "OGPU/ VChK" letters as opposed to enameled ones. Hmmmmm.........

The 15th Anniversary of the OGPU is also quite unusual, I especially don't like the sickle tip, which has to be right in the center of the sword's cross guard. It could certainly be a variation.

These badges are very commonly faked, and the quality of those fakes is usually very impressive, so thye need to be studied in person and in every detail.

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The XV is an obvious fake.
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Old 06-07-2002, 08:23 PM   #10
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Hi Alexei

Yes they could be fake just as possible they could be genuine.

I have not seen these before in 6 years of searching, I have bought them from the same person who I believe is selling a collection.

Up close and personnel they are just to well made, and these badges are not copied from what I can tell. There is not the demand.

If you can give me a source of where they are faked I would get worried and times when you have seen them.

As regard the position of the hammer and sickle there are several variations and they all have different positions.

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