Red Banner Of Labour.

csmdmc · 03-03-2002, 03:41 PM

I'd appreciate any advice on the attached Red Banner of Labour.
Is it a genuine 1936 Var.2 ?
The pictures on site advise these have slightly curved or curved lettering on the "Mondvor" whereas this ones lettering appears straight.

Tal Inbar · 03-03-2002, 05:55 PM

Hi

Can you tell us the serial Number? Judging from your scan, the rivet are slightly missplaced, traces of artifissial patina is clear, the edges of the order are not crisp and the "MONDVOR" stamp is not good, look at the last letter - it's almost not present.

I'll be very suspicious about this one.

Another thing: look at the order from it's side: the two pieces of the order should much perfectly. Also look at McDaniel's book on pages 158-159.

Tal

csmdmc · 03-04-2002, 06:21 AM

Thanks for your opinion Tal, think I'll leave it.
I believe the serial number is in the low 10,000 range.

Best regards,
Terry

Tal Inbar · 03-04-2002, 06:33 AM

Watch it! The total numbers of tipe 2a (shiskov/Muzalevsky) is about 7000.

So number 10000+ is.........not too good.

***Art*** · 03-04-2002, 07:12 PM

As Tal suggested, take a look at the edges..they should match perfectly..

These are weights of orders I've collected over the past 2 years. I'll post one thread for each award. All were weighed with the screwback off. I use a Pocket-Tech digital scale by Gram-Precision. Some were weighed over a year later to check the accuracy of my results and all were 100% accurate.

Order Name/Class-----Serial Number------Weight in grams

Red Banner of Labor 551 37
Red Banner of Labor 1511 37.6
Red Banner of Labor 4935 37.6

Timmey · 05-06-2002, 07:09 AM

I was researching my limited collection of orders and I came across this. I thought it was a type 5 variation 2, but the mint mark is curved with the ABOP below in a straight line. It seems to me to be a short oval, but maybe it is a type 3 variation 1?
The serial # is 900403 if that helps.
Any thoughts?
Thanks! :confused:

***Art*** · 05-06-2002, 05:51 PM

Be sure to look through the main section of the website. Here is a detail from the website which is more than likely your award. It is a Type 6 Variation 2. Serial number is 906735.

The Order of the Red Banner of Labor is one of my favorites. It is also a great award for a beginner in the hobby to start off collecting. There are plenty of types and variations to keep it interesting, plus there are always the more expensive types in case you want to get a little advanced. It's a well designed and colorful award.

Art

Tal Inbar · 11-22-2002, 03:56 AM

Please help and explain:

***Art*** · 02-07-2004, 08:45 AM

This thread is for posting newly observed high and low serial numbers for the Order of the Red Banner of Labor. As everyone knows, Paul McDaniel's book is somewhat outdated for the serial number ranges he gives, so all members are asked to look at their RBL's and post here anything which is out range for their respective type and variation..Please post an image of your award if possible. For those who don't have McDaniel's book and would still like to participate, you can see most of these on the main site: http://www.soviet-awards.com/orders6.htm#order12

McDaniel Observed Numbers for Order of the Red Banner of Labor (page 149 in McDaniels book "The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Orders and Medals).

Lowest observed serial numbers are on top, highest are on bottom, newly observed lows and highs posted in red italic.

Type 1, 1928 Version, Screwback, Variation 1
39
220

Type 1, 1928 Version, Screwback, Variation 2
1196
2748

Forum Observed #s
938

Type 2, 1936 Version, Screwback, Variation 1
1098
7655

Type 2, 1936 Version, Screwback, Variation 2
5443
11622

Forum Observed #'s
4935

Type 2, 1936 Version, Screwback, Variation 3
9432
13267

Type 3, "Long Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 1
23938
43024

Type 3, "Long Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 2
64408
134303

Type 4, "Semi-Long Oval", 5-sided suspension
135463
194944

Type 5, "Short Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 1
197966
254774

Type 5, "Short Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 2
252398
364540

Type 6, "Ring Reverse", 5-sided suspension, Variation 1
369891
407695

Type 6, "Ring Reverse", 5-sided suspension, Variation 2
437425
1259320

Forum Observed #'s
420184

Ed_Haynes · 02-07-2004, 09:25 AM

The medal (has "Paul Papers")

Ed

03-04-2002, 07:12 PM	#5
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	As Tal suggested, take a look at the edges..they should match perfectly.. These are weights of orders I've collected over the past 2 years. I'll post one thread for each award. All were weighed with the screwback off. I use a Pocket-Tech digital scale by Gram-Precision. Some were weighed over a year later to check the accuracy of my results and all were 100% accurate. Order Name/Class-----Serial Number------Weight in grams Red Banner of Labor 551 37 Red Banner of Labor 1511 37.6 Red Banner of Labor 4935 37.6 __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

05-06-2002, 07:09 AM	#6
Timmey New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio USA Age: 60 Posts: 15	Order Red Banner Of Labor I was researching my limited collection of orders and I came across this. I thought it was a type 5 variation 2, but the mint mark is curved with the ABOP below in a straight line. It seems to me to be a short oval, but maybe it is a type 3 variation 1? The serial # is 900403 if that helps. Any thoughts? Thanks! :confused:

02-07-2004, 08:45 AM	#9
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	High/Low Serial numbers for the Order of the Red Banner of Labor This thread is for posting newly observed high and low serial numbers for the Order of the Red Banner of Labor. As everyone knows, Paul McDaniel's book is somewhat outdated for the serial number ranges he gives, so all members are asked to look at their RBL's and post here anything which is out range for their respective type and variation..Please post an image of your award if possible. For those who don't have McDaniel's book and would still like to participate, you can see most of these on the main site: http://www.soviet-awards.com/orders6.htm#order12 McDaniel Observed Numbers for Order of the Red Banner of Labor (page 149 in McDaniels book "The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Orders and Medals). Lowest observed serial numbers are on top, highest are on bottom, newly observed lows and highs posted in red italic. Type 1, 1928 Version, Screwback, Variation 1 39 220 Type 1, 1928 Version, Screwback, Variation 2 1196 2748 Forum Observed #s 938 Type 2, 1936 Version, Screwback, Variation 1 1098 7655 Type 2, 1936 Version, Screwback, Variation 2 5443 11622 Forum Observed #'s 4935 Type 2, 1936 Version, Screwback, Variation 3 9432 13267 Type 3, "Long Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 1 23938 43024 Type 3, "Long Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 2 64408 134303 Type 4, "Semi-Long Oval", 5-sided suspension 135463 194944 Type 5, "Short Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 1 197966 254774 Type 5, "Short Oval", 5-sided suspension, Variation 2 252398 364540 Type 6, "Ring Reverse", 5-sided suspension, Variation 1 369891 407695 Type 6, "Ring Reverse", 5-sided suspension, Variation 2 437425 1259320 Forum Observed #'s 420184 __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ Last edited by Art; 02-07-2004 at 10:07 AM.

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03-03-2002, 05:55 PM	#2
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Hi Can you tell us the serial Number? Judging from your scan, the rivet are slightly missplaced, traces of artifissial patina is clear, the edges of the order are not crisp and the "MONDVOR" stamp is not good, look at the last letter - it's almost not present. I'll be very suspicious about this one. Another thing: look at the order from it's side: the two pieces of the order should much perfectly. Also look at McDaniel's book on pages 158-159. Tal

03-04-2002, 06:21 AM	#3
csmdmc New Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arbroath Scotland Age: 73 Posts: 5	Thanks for your opinion Tal, think I'll leave it. I believe the serial number is in the low 10,000 range. Best regards, Terry

03-04-2002, 06:33 AM	#4
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Watch it! The total numbers of tipe 2a (shiskov/Muzalevsky) is about 7000. So number 10000+ is.........not too good.

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