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Old 04-10-2002, 09:01 PM   #11
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I would agree with Art - stay away unless you know the piece is genuine for sure (like if you're buying it from the original recipient or their family). I would think that the value for 2nd Class Order of Glory would be as follows (most to least expensive), assuming they are common variations with normal numbers:

1) mint condition (issued)
2) extra fine condition with original gold plating
3) mint condition (unissued)
4) fine condition with re-applied gold plating
5) lesser grades with no modifications

That's my opinion. I would be very careful purchasing this order, and if the price is too good to be true, consider it a red flag.

Another red flag, as many of you probably know, is if the order has excellent gold-plating and considerable wear on the center medallion. It's a tricky issue. :confused:

PS Yes, it is possible to have an issued order in mint condition. Some recipients of this award laminated it entirely (or covered it with some form of clear plastic) that it remained intact.
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Old 05-25-2002, 01:35 PM   #12
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Glory

Hi

I have 3 unissued Orders of Glory 3rd Class in my collection.The 3 Orders were purchased at the same time from the same dealer as unissued.The numbers on them are 808107,808182, and 808189.

I have paid $18 to $20 each for issued Orders of Glory 3rd Class and I paid $15 each for unissued Orders of Glory 3rd Class.All were purchased from a major dealer.

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Old 08-03-2002, 08:07 PM   #13
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Order of Glory Cavalier photo

I purchased this photograph from my supplier a while ago. It shows the same Cavalier holder of the Order of Glory that is in McDaniels book on page 198 (he's even wearing the same tie!). Can anyone make out his name? it's written in a fancy calligraphic cyrillic and I can't make it out..
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Old 08-03-2002, 10:04 PM   #14
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Art,

His name is Grigorii Vasil'vich Minin.

I hope this helps,
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Old 09-05-2002, 08:41 PM   #15
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Order of Glory 2nd Class Type II Thin

Hello All,

I just received a Order of Glory 2nd Class. It is type 2, thin type and is 1.1mm thick at the tips. Is the fact that a 2nd class is a type 2 thin a good indication that it is legit? The serial number is in the correct range 12317.

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Old 09-05-2002, 10:07 PM   #16
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Dunno. :( I only have two 2nd Class OoGs, and they're both Type 3s...

How rare's the Type 2 Thin?

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Old 10-07-2002, 02:08 PM   #17
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Order of Glory III , 19 th Army ?

Hi , I bought an Order of Glory III, researched and the
man awarded was an Sr Sergeant on the Karelian Front.
He belonged to the 19th Army ?
I cant find anything in my books about this army.
Does anybody have any information about
the Soviet 19th Army ?

the order number is 171484 and it was awarded 4 Feb 1945
to Mikhail Stepanovich Ivanov
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Old 10-07-2002, 04:30 PM   #18
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19th Army

Formed in North Caucasus Mil. Distirict, June 1941
Partly destroyed in Smolensk pocket, July 1941
Second formation activated based on Kandalaksha Op. Group, April 1942
Finnish Front 1942-44
Kandalaksha area, Sep 1944
East Pomerania Op. Feb 1945
Gdynia, March 1945
Commanded by IS Koniev, August 1941

Units in March 1945:
31, 40, 132, 134 Rifle Corps
10, 101, 102 Guards Rifle Div.
18, 27, 114, 177, 205, 272, 310, 313 Rifle Div.

From "The Red Army Order of Battle in the GPW" by RG Poirier and AZ Conner. This book is ESSENTIAL if you are into research :)

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Old 10-11-2002, 02:36 AM   #19
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Here is more info on the 19th Army.

While the second formation (which as with all follow-on formations in the wartime Red Army has nothing to do with the first - not the same personnel or district, etc.) was formed in 1942 it did not see much combat until 1945. It maintained manly defensive lines in Karelia/Finnish Border.

On 26 February 1945 it was commanded by Lieutenant-General Kozlov and transfered south from the Finnish border to the 2nd Belorussian Front (although it remained under the Reserve of the High Command RSVK).

In late February, it fought in the East Pomeranian Operation but was not involved in the liberation or Koenigsberg.

On 6 March Lieutenant-General Romanovskiy took over as commander.

In March, it fought in the Oder-Niesse-Baltic Operation near Gdynia. It fought against the German 2nd army. On 28 March 1945 it participated in the liberation of Gdynia.

In April, it was on the extreme right flank of the 2nd Belorussian Front, right on the Baltic sea coast. It held a defensive position during the Berlin operation and then moved into Swinemunde in the last days of the war.

It was taken off the Stavka list of operational units on 5 May 1945.

Interesting that your Glory was awarded in February when the unit was not too active. I would guess it is much rare than an award later during the operations in East Prussia and Poland.

The Poirier and Connor book is OK, but based on obolete and not totally dependable info. I am going to list some longer comments today on it and Red Army unit research in general under the research section.

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You can find additional memoirs by members of the 19th at the I remember website - they also have a Karelian Front photo album.
http://www.iremember.ru/
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