Eternal Return

aironmeiden · 01-14-2010, 01:19 PM

Today I was reading about Yezhov and about the soviet censorship that attempt to remove this man from history.
This is a funny example of "eternal return"...

EricFG · 01-14-2010, 01:53 PM

I've seen those two images a few times, usually when I'm reading about the "purges". I think there's quite a few examples of people edited out of Stalin-era photos.
Piss off the Vozhd and you disappear; in more ways than one!

aironmeiden · 01-15-2010, 02:06 AM

Yes the two photo i put on top are of soviet era censorship... the one i put on the bottom is modern era censorship.
Irony of the case.

Al-muell · 01-19-2010, 06:22 AM

I will look for the pics in the afternoon, but therwe are two famous ones:
1.Lenin giving a speech to the crowds. In original version there was Trotskiy standing below. On later (stalinist and post-stalinist period) version of this pic Lyova misteriously disappears...

2.A famous pictore where lenin sits relaxed in a garden accompanied by Stalin sitting in a bit bent forwards pose. From what I know, originally there was no Stalin in this fotograph - he was added later.

aironmeiden · 01-19-2010, 07:51 AM

Lenin and Trotsky

aironmeiden · 01-19-2010, 07:53 AM

Lenin and Trotsky again

aironmeiden · 01-19-2010, 07:54 AM

Lenin and Stalin, suspect fake

Al-muell · 01-19-2010, 08:45 AM

Those are the pictures. As I see, I didn't remember correctly, since not only Trotskiy but also Kamienev was removed.
As for the last picture - numerous sources state that it is a fake (inclouding a polish schoolbook published in 1989

), but The original version of the picture is nowhere to be found. I am wondering wether there was somebody else in that seat or is it rather Lenin who was moved from a different picture?

Lapa · 01-19-2010, 09:55 AM

Guys,

From memory, there is an excellent book on the topic called "The Commissar Vanishes"

Marc

Esteban_cool · 01-19-2010, 12:31 PM

Here´s the original photograph of the latter picture

01-14-2010, 01:53 PM	#2
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Eternal Return I've seen those two images a few times, usually when I'm reading about the "purges". I think there's quite a few examples of people edited out of Stalin-era photos. Piss off the Vozhd and you disappear; in more ways than one! __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

01-15-2010, 02:06 AM	#3
aironmeiden Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 97	Re: Eternal Return Yes the two photo i put on top are of soviet era censorship... the one i put on the bottom is modern era censorship. Irony of the case.

01-19-2010, 06:22 AM	#4
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Re: Eternal Return I will look for the pics in the afternoon, but therwe are two famous ones: 1.Lenin giving a speech to the crowds. In original version there was Trotskiy standing below. On later (stalinist and post-stalinist period) version of this pic Lyova misteriously disappears... 2.A famous pictore where lenin sits relaxed in a garden accompanied by Stalin sitting in a bit bent forwards pose. From what I know, originally there was no Stalin in this fotograph - he was added later.

01-19-2010, 08:45 AM	#8
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Re: Eternal Return Those are the pictures. As I see, I didn't remember correctly, since not only Trotskiy but also Kamienev was removed. As for the last picture - numerous sources state that it is a fake (inclouding a polish schoolbook published in 1989 ), but The original version of the picture is nowhere to be found. I am wondering wether there was somebody else in that seat or is it rather Lenin who was moved from a different picture?

01-19-2010, 09:55 AM	#9
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Eternal Return Guys, From memory, there is an excellent book on the topic called "The Commissar Vanishes" Marc

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